Round 8 vs Souths

[Munky]

We didn't land a conversion that is why we lost, We actually played pretty good

Poor logic, Latrell missed more.

 

[Chins get the wins]

And when that fails? Not the 1st time this season we lacked a plan B

Yeah Nathan was cooked, was Luai's time to shine......

 

[Chins get the wins]

FFS you guys are obsessed. Tago is a SMALL player. He is small for even a back. What is everyones obsession with him in the backrow, because he played there in low grades which is a massive drop in quality to the NRL?

Very similar size to Murray or Nanai

 

[Munky]

Very similar size to Murray or Nanai

Murray is a freak and Nanai is part of an edge that can't tackle.

 

[Iamback]

Poor logic, Latrell missed more.

I mean in NSW Cup. We scored 4 tries to 3

 

[Iamback]

Yeah Nathan was cooked, was Luai's time to shine......

On the back of 43% possession? We are a work in progress

 

[Chins get the wins]

Murray is a freak and Nanai is part of an edge that can't tackle.

A small backrower alongside Fish/Leota and Yeo would add a whole new dimension

 

[Copperhead]

Very similar size to Murray or Nanai

Nanai's 6'1 and 104kg. Not similar at all.

 

[Original Name]

No it wasn't.

Our defence tenacity kept us in ot for the majority of the game...

You misunderstand. I didn't say it was a major reason, the best plan or that it was good. I said with Nathan kicking to that game plan we were winning the game as in the game plan was working to win the game. You can argue something else would have been better but if Salmon defended correctly we win anyway so it would have been a game plan that worked to win the game regardless of your personal opinion.

They had huge periods with a lot of ball..

You watched Reynolds tonight. That's how you kick.

Variations.. early... long high... short. He's a genius.

1) Reynolds attempted a 40/20 that Gutherson knocked on. He had about 3 seconds to stand there and kick it. That lack of desperation of kick pressure that the Eels showed was of the many reasons they were poor, much less hungry to win than the Rabbitohs were. Rugby League isn't played in a vacuum. The circumstances of the time and space you are given across game or even as a game changes aren't the statically the same and it's pretty naïve to treat it as such by comparing these kinda things without considering differences.

2) It looks like you're saying greater variance = greater kicking. I mean is it really how you kick as it's definitively the best way though? Nath won a Clive Churchill essentially doing that cage kick with little variance to pin Parra in their own end dominating field position and possession? Is a greater variance really to your kicking objectively better than the way Nath went about it in the gf considering the result of how Nathan dominated field position and possession with it? I think there's more nuance to that at the very least.

3) On gf night with a strained groin from Reynolds and our own forwards dominating theirs for most of the game Nathan outkicked Reynolds. Then when the Nathan has a strained groin he isn't the one kicking as well. Would you look at that, maybe there's something there.

He's kicking was rubbish. No two ways about it..

The fact you think his kicking game or that plan in general almost won us the game is ridiculous haha.

I didn't think that. You assumed I thought that. And I didn't say he almost won us the game as if we were going to maybe win or close. I said the tactic/game was going to win the game up until Salmon missed his assignment. If Turuva doesn't go down we win this barring a miraculous one on one strip followed by a super quick play the ball or something extraordinary like that. I wasn't trying to say we almost we win it. If Salmon did his most important job as a utility which is to defend well in variety of positions we do win the game like 99.8% out of 100.

We almost won because our defence is bloody brilliant.. we held the best attacking team in the comp to 20 points on a night that latrell and Cody had their best games of the season and they got everything 100% right and the bounce of the ball went their way all night.

Yes we have brilliant defence. And that's why Nathan can with a strained groin can pull things back to kick basically and still know we can still the game. Up until someone misses their job and that defence fails. We have faith in our defence and that's why Salmon needs to be up that standard to justify that faith.

 

[Girds89]

Nathans kicking is regressing at a frightening rate. 2020/21 was his peak. 2022 he was noticably less threatening and less consistent. He has dropped in that aspect again. Other than him hitting a few freak field goals, there are several players I would prefer over him in terms of general play kicking.

That's what I'm trying to say but there is several blind posters who would prefer to blame Kenny... 200k, luai 700k... and salmon 200k over others.

Not that I'm solely blaming Nathan..

But his kicking all year... in fact for probably 2 years has been rubbish.

We've got away with it in the past cause we were so good that it went unnoticed to most..

But if you actually watch all games you'd se he's kicking isn't top class.

I've said this for a long time on here.

And I've also said he'll be one of the greats of the game.....

It's clear he has a brilliant kicking game but he gets way to stuck into the game plan.

Reynolds plays what he sees in front of him

Nathan needs to find that In his game.

And I'm not blaming him for our situation.

But people love to hammer luai and Kenny etc... when our highest paid player has missed the mark all year bar one or two easy games when it comes to kicking.

 

[Girds89]

Nanai's 6'1 and 104kg. Not similar at all.

Exactly...

Been saying this for two years...

People want to manufacture him into a 2nd rower out of lack of options..

He is 5'11" and 93kgs... and the islanders fill out by 18. He could easily put on 5 to 8 kgs... but than he loses his speed and elusiveness and everything that makes him good.

 

[Chins get the wins]

Exactly...

Been saying this for two years...

People want to manufacture him into a 2nd rower out of lack of options..

He is 5'11" and 93kgs... and the islanders fill out by 18. He could easily put on 5 to 8 kgs... but than he loses his speed and elusiveness and everything that makes him good.

He is a backrower though, it's not manufacturing anything

 

[Chins get the wins]

Mitch Kenny also plays prop in our side......

 

[Iamback]

He is a backrower though, it's not manufacturing anything

Yep he jumped Jersey Flegg on the back of some great performances in the forwards in SG Ball.

It is hard because their are very few players in NSW Cup that are FG ready but very soon there will be outside backs demanding to be selected.

If the backrow issues continue then it is an easy fix

 

[BossleyPanther]

The moment the game changed!

 

[soc123_au]

You misunderstand. I didn't say it was a major reason, the best plan or that it was good. I said with Nathan kicking to that game plan we were winning the game as in the game plan was working to win the game. You can argue something else would have been better but if Salmon defended correctly we win anyway so it would have been a game plan that worked to win the game regardless of your personal opinion.

1) Reynolds attempted a 40/20 that Gutherson knocked on. He had about 3 seconds to stand there and kick it. That lack of desperation of kick pressure that the Eels showed was of the many reasons they were poor, much less hungry to win than the Rabbitohs were. Rugby League isn't played in a vacuum. The circumstances of the time and space you are given across game or even as a game changes aren't the statically the same and it's pretty naïve to treat it as such by comparing these kinda things without considering differences.

2) It looks like you're saying greater variance = greater kicking. I mean is it really how you kick as it's definitively the best way though? Nath won a Clive Churchill essentially doing that cage kick with little variance to pin Parra in their own end dominating field position and possession? Is a greater variance really to your kicking objectively better than the way Nath went about it in the gf considering the result of how Nathan dominated field position and possession with it? I think there's more nuance to that at the very least.

3) On gf night with a strained groin from Reynolds and our own forwards dominating theirs for most of the game Nathan outkicked Reynolds. Then when the Nathan has a strained groin he isn't the one kicking as well. Would you look at that, maybe there's something there.

I didn't think that. You assumed I thought that. And I didn't say he almost won us the game as if we were going to maybe win or close. I said the tactic/game was going to win the game up until Salmon missed his assignment. If Turuva doesn't go down we win this barring a miraculous one on one strip followed by a super quick play the ball or something extraordinary like that. I wasn't trying to say we almost we win it. If Salmon did his most important job as a utility which is to defend well in variety of positions we do win the game like 99.8% out of 100.

Yes we have brilliant defence. And that's why Nathan can with a strained groin can pull things back to kick basically and still know we can still the game. Up until someone misses their job and that defence fails. We have faith in our defence and that's why Salmon needs to be up that standard to justify that faith.

I wish I could like this post twice. Bang on.

 

[betcats]

Exactly...

Been saying this for two years...

People want to manufacture him into a 2nd rower out of lack of options..

He is 5'11" and 93kgs... and the islanders fill out by 18. He could easily put on 5 to 8 kgs... but than he loses his speed and elusiveness and everything that makes him good.

I don’t think we should move him right now and maybe not ever I’m just nitpicking here really, Tago is 184cm which is just over 6 foot tall, taller than sorro in fact. If he gains 2-3kgs of muscle of the next couple years he could keep his mobility and speed and probably be a good edge forward.

I think Tago could probably handle it fine now, he’s a strong guy he muscles up against edge forwards right now regularly, that being said I think he’s better off in the centres atm. I actually think besides some errors his form has been good, he’s threatening the line often and racking up a lot of metres. He could pass a bit more but at the same time I don’t mind centres not forcing passes to wingers putting them in score or get forced into touch situations. That combination will get better.

 

[WestyLife]

That's what I'm trying to say but there is several blind posters who would prefer to blame Kenny... 200k, luai 700k... and salmon 200k over others.

Not that I'm solely blaming Nathan..

But his kicking all year... in fact for probably 2 years has been rubbish.

We've got away with it in the past cause we were so good that it went unnoticed to most..

But if you actually watch all games you'd se he's kicking isn't top class.

I've said this for a long time on here.

And I've also said he'll be one of the greats of the game.....

It's clear he has a brilliant kicking game but he gets way to stuck into the game plan.

Reynolds plays what he sees in front of him

Nathan needs to find that In his game.

And I'm not blaming him for our situation.

But people love to hammer luai and Kenny etc... when our highest paid player has missed the mark all year bar one or two easy games when it comes to kicking.

Remember way back when I got told it wasn't whataboutism. Don't mention a half who is barely playing at first grade standard because his halves partner is not perfect and still winning games and carrying the workload of both halves. That's this conversation.

 

[Pomoz]

FFS you guys are obsessed. Tago is a SMALL player. He is small for even a back. What is everyones obsession with him in the backrow, because he played there in low grades which is a massive drop in quality to the NRL?

So what? Murray is small. Radley is small. Cotter is small. It's the size of the fight in the dog, not the size of the dog in the fight. Tago is a warrior, he would handle it.

 

[betcats]

So what? Murray is small. Radley is small. Cotter is small. It's the size of the fight in the dog, not the size of the dog in the fight. Tago is a warrior, he would handle it.

Yep I don’t think there are size requirements really these days. You certainly don’t need to be 6 foot 2 plus and over 100kgs to play in the pack it just comes down to the individual and if they can do the job. You’ve just mentioned 3 very good nrl forwards who are similar in height and weight to Tago and all 3 make a living playing in the middle each week. The question for Penrith is what’s best for the team and for tago. Right now I like him where he is but not because I think he can’t handle a shift to the pack, I just think he’s going well right now and we have other options on the edges.