Round three vs The Storm

[betcats]

How many halves now throw that harbour bridge now? For starters even since he played the game has evolved

How? There are the same amount of defenders as attackers. If you mark your guy there is no gap

Newcastle had one very similar poor defence and preventable

We are the best defensive team, we do not number up from the outside in.

You are just making shit up now to try fault Charlie fir that try, it’s pathetic IMO.

 

[betcats]

Answer the question. How many times did Vunivalu or JAC get scored around? It happens very few times

You don’t even know the answer ffs.

I would bet my house they concede more on the edges than through the middle last year.

 

[WestyLife]

Not the good ones. How many tries get scored on Roosters or Storm outwide over the last few years?

The way to beat good defences is up the middle. Especially with the corner post in play now teams will eat that stuff up all day

Storms defence is entirely built around forcing you to try and go around them and exploding out from the middle. They use the sideline as an extra defender.

You catch them in the middle with a quick play the ball before the defence can set.

 

[betcats]

Storms defence is entirely built around forcing you to try and go around them and exploding out from the middle. They use the sideline as an extra defender.

You catch them in the middle with a quick play the ball before the defence can set.

We just beat them by scoring twice on their edges but hey someone should have told the boys they are much softer in the middle

 

[Girds89]

We are the best defensive team, we do not number up from the outside in.

You are just making shit up now to try fault Charlie fir that try, it’s pathetic IMO.

I think it was just a well worked play by Melbourne to be fair. If anyone is to blame it was probably momo but as I said sometimes just have to give credit where it's due. Wasn't Staines fault.

Jane, did you actually read any of my posts? Haven't death ridden him at all.. have said multiple times he did some very good things and should be proud of his performance against a top team in a intense game.

Bx, I think I said on here before a ball was kicked this season that Staines would be a 12 to 18 month project. I have no unreal expectations on the kid. Have to develop them slowly and I've been pretty vocal on that.

But me discussing ways he could be used better in attack is hardly trolling. I don't expect him to be a superstar. I do think he could be used better in attack to suit his strengths and to assist the team better.

Ivan and the boys should always be looking at ways to improve, all of them. Even after a good win. Staines is an exciting player and we need to create ways for him to get more involved.

Some on here seem happy with him getting 11 touches and 70m gained. For me I'd love to see him get double the runs because he's a super threat that can make something happen using his speed. Whilst he is still growing ivan just needs to use him right.

If you think that's negative or not a worth chatting about good for you.

 

[MugaB]

We just beat them by scoring twice on their edges but hey someone should told the boys they are much softer in the middle

Attack their centres, justin olam, brenko lee, Regis smith, the storms salary cap relies heavily on stacking their big fwds, but they get cheap options for centres, ones that aren't that good at defence, olam is an exceptional tackler, but goes one out most games so the line breaks if he misses, brenko is fkn terrible, only has the powerdrive in attack, but loose in defence similar to BJ leilua like a turnstyle, and remis well we saw his efforts last thursday, they are storms weakness, all we had to do is get kikau running at them and wait till he offloaded, but kiks kept running in

 

[WestyLife]

I think it was just a well worked play by Melbourne to be fair. If anyone is to blame it was probably momo but as I said sometimes just have to give credit where it's due. Wasn't Staines fault.

Jane, did you actually read any of my posts? Haven't death ridden him at all.. have said multiple times he did some very good things and should be proud of his performance against a top team in a intense game.

Bx, I think I said on here before a ball was kicked this season that Staines would be a 12 to 18 month project. I have no unreal expectations on the kid. Have to develop them slowly and I've been pretty vocal on that.

But me discussing ways he could be used better in attack is hardly trolling. I don't expect him to be a superstar. I do think he could be used better in attack to suit his strengths and to assist the team better.

Ivan and the boys should always be looking at ways to improve, all of them. Even after a good win. Staines is an exciting player and we need to create ways for him to get more involved.

Some on here seem happy with him getting 11 touches and 70m gained. For me I'd love to see him get double the runs because he's a super threat that can make something happen using his speed. Whilst he is still growing ivan just needs to use him right.

If you think that's negative or not a worth chatting about good for you.

I wasn't calling you a troll. I was talking about the guy on the other thread who's on my ignore list.

The original argument was that he wasn't physically ready for first grade and has subtly changed somehow.

 

[betcats]

Attack their centres, justin olam, brenko lee, Regis smith, the storms salary cap relies heavily on stacking their big fwds, but they get cheap options for centres, ones that aren't that good at defence, olam is an exceptional tackler, but goes one out most games so the line breaks if he misses, brenko is fkn terrible, only has the powerdrive in attack, but loose in defence similar to BJ leilua like a turnstyle, and remis well we saw his efforts last thursday, they are storms weakness, all we had to do is get kikau running at them and wait till he offloaded, but kiks kept running in

Yep if we are talking about their 2020 team their middle was so much stronger than the edges. Cameron smith, jesse Bromwich, NAS, Tino, Brandon smith, Finucane. There is no way in hell that was easier to crack than their edges.

 

[WestyLife]

I do agree we need some plays to the right for Charlie. Looked like Edwards was trying to bring that side into it more. Hopefully Cleary back will help that and Cri hton seems to be everyone's favourite for FB and has a nice pass.

 

[betcats]

I do agree we need some plays to the right for Charlie. Looked like Edwards was trying to bring that side into it more. Hopefully Cleary back will help that and Cri hton seems to be everyone's favourite for FB and has a nice pass.

We have been doing plays fir him imo. In each of the cows and dogs games we created the overlap down that side but Momo fumbled it both times, he could see it was on was and having a look before he had the ball in his hand properly. It’s a new combo though they will get better.

 

[WestyLife]

We have been doing plays fir him imo. In each of the cows and dogs games we created the overlap down that side but Momo fumbled it both times, he could see it was on was and having a look before he had the ball in his hand properly. It’s a new combo though they will get better.

Yeah dry games will help. With Cleary I dare say the Storm game isn't as close and Staines gets a double at least.

 

[snickers007]

You don’t even know the answer ffs.

I would bet my house they concede more on the edges than through the middle last year.

According to StatsInsider you are right.

Melbourne conceded 51 tries last year. 49% on the right edge, 37% on the left edge and just 14% in the middle

https://www.statsinsider.com.au/blog/nrl/nrl-2021-where-does-your-team-need-to-improve-defensively

 

[The Realist]

I think it was just a well worked play by Melbourne to be fair. If anyone is to blame it was probably momo but as I said sometimes just have to give credit where it's due. Wasn't Staines fault.

No, watch the part of the play again. When I was at the game I 100% blamed Momo. When I watched the replay I realised that we didn't match their numbers on either side of the scrum.

This was 100% the 'fault' of our defensive structure. No idea why we didn't number 3 on either side. We numbered up 4-2 and the Storm attacked the 2 and scored.

 

[franklin2323]

According to StatsInsider you are right.

Melbourne conceded 51 tries last year. 49% on the right edge, 37% on the left edge and just 14% in the middle

https://www.statsinsider.com.au/blog/nrl/nrl-2021-where-does-your-team-need-to-improve-defensively

NRL.com has it broken down into 5 sections. I have to find the Storm and Roosters when I get to work. I bookmarked the page like most of stats and lost it

Here is Manly as an example.

As someone said it is around the centre/halves that is the issue. Pretty much the area where Capewell scored was their problem area.

I will find it when not on my phone

 

[mxlegend99]

Not the good ones. How many tries get scored on Roosters or Storm outwide over the last few years?

The way to beat good defences is up the middle. Especially with the corner post in play now teams will eat that stuff up all day

Did you miss last year when Alex Johnston scored 5 tries on Roosters?

Or when Stained scored outwide vs Storn?

Mate you're way off the mark on this one. Trting to throw the blame on a winger for him being left having to cover 2 on 1. The winger made the best call under the circumstances and every team and every winger in the competition has been jn that situation before

 

[Original Name]

• Brian To’o: 224m (26 runs)
• Isaah Yeo: 150m (18 runs)
• Dylan Edwards: 134m (18 runs)
• Viliame Kikau: 129m (12 runs)
• Matt Eisenhuth: 121m (13 runs)
• Spencer Leniu: 113m (14 runs)
• Stephen Crichton: 111m (12 runs)

Look at our top metre makers in this game runs compared to metres. Everyone's runs per metre rate was down besides Kikau. Everyone one tough one out hitups got blunted by the Storm's rushing defence (Crichton's metres are inflated by Edwards giving him the ball for a big line break in the first half). It wasn't just Staines. I think the drop off in hit offs between Staines and R Jennings or whoever we'll bring up in first grade isn't going to be dramatic enough to be worth it.

And anyone blaming Staines for that try off the scrum is crazy. No winger is defending a 2 on 1 against JAC if the pass is good and he's running onto the ball. It was Burton who didn't follow the fullback switching sides that created the extra number so 3 on 3 became 3 on 4 but he corrected his mistake the next scrum.

 

[betcats]

According to StatsInsider you are right.

Melbourne conceded 51 tries last year. 49% on the right edge, 37% on the left edge and just 14% in the middle

https://www.statsinsider.com.au/blog/nrl/nrl-2021-where-does-your-team-need-to-improve-defensively

Yep thanks. There is no way a good defensive team concedes more in the middle. To say Melbourne concede more in the middle is by the the silliest thing I’ve read all month.

 

[betcats]

No, watch the part of the play again. When I was at the game I 100% blamed Momo. When I watched the replay I realised that we didn't match their numbers on either side of the scrum.

This was 100% the 'fault' of our defensive structure. No idea why we didn't number 3 on either side. We numbered up 4-2 and the Storm attacked the 2 and scored.

They set up them to match us then switched a guy over late and we just didn’t adjust to it. They had a 3 on 2 close to the line executed it perfectly. Whoever is supposed to be adjusting the defence on a scrum is at fault, probably the half or the fullback is my guess.

 

[Girds89]

No, watch the part of the play again. When I was at the game I 100% blamed Momo. When I watched the replay I realised that we didn't match their numbers on either side of the scrum.

This was 100% the 'fault' of our defensive structure. No idea why we didn't number 3 on either side. We numbered up 4-2 and the Storm attacked the 2 and scored.

Umm? Maybe you need to watch it again mate. That's not what happened at all.

We numbered up 3-3. At the last minute hynes switched sides to make it a 4 on 3 situation. Even still, I think it could have been stopped.

Momo come in, thought it was going to olam and got set flat footed to make the tackle. By the time they'd sent it out the back he had to turn and chase.

Dean whare was the best at defending those situations and was so good at stopping them. He'd just continue to slide and not get caught flat footed where he locked himself into guessing who would get the ball.

Was only the 2nd try off us in 3 games, was well executed by melbs. Something for that right side to work on.

 

[betcats]

That close to the line that was virtually impossible to stop if they execute it right and Melbourne usually do execute their set plays right. Without numbering up it was going to take something exceptional from Momo or Staines to stop that. The defence has to adjust in that situation, we had May packing in where Edwards usually would be and Luai standing at the scrum where Nath would be.

When Edwards packs scrums defensively he keeps his head up for as long as possible scanning the attacking side, almost every defensive scrum we have you can hear the ref telling him to pack in properly but he leaves it to the last second so he can work which way to break etc