Round three vs The Storm

[franklin2323]

He still has to chip in. You think it's OK for him to stand out on the wing whilst every other player is gassed because he's waiting for a glory moment to use his speed?

Mate Edwards and too couldn't have done another bit more... Edwards was the most exhausted I'd ever seen him and too was sometimes taking two hit ups a set.

Every bloke on the field has to contribute, not just wait for the glory plays.

You think im knocking him but some on here are to biased to just see its an area/skill he needs to develop.

Storm have probably had one of the hardest runs to start the year. JAC is averaging a out 120m over 3 very difficult games. It should be Staines goal to average those sorts of numbers in the next 12 or so months.

Addo-Carr or Johnstone should be the gauge Staines gets measured on. Not To'o or any other big winger. 100m should be the minimum for a back 3 or starting prop.

The rest goes on from that

 

[franklin2323]

To suggest he should've been staying on his wing in that situation is ludicrous. They had an overlap you cant mark every player when that happens.

If the winger marks his man and so on then there is no gap

That is the 1st thing you are taught when learning footy. Mark your player start from wing in

 

[WestyLife]

He still has to chip in. You think it's OK for him to stand out on the wing whilst every other player is gassed because he's waiting for a glory moment to use his speed?

Mate Edwards and too couldn't have done another bit more... Edwards was the most exhausted I'd ever seen him and too was sometimes taking two hit ups a set.

Every bloke on the field has to contribute, not just wait for the glory plays.

You think im knocking him but some on here are to biased to just see its an area/skill he needs to develop.

Storm have probably had one of the hardest runs to start the year. JAC is averaging a out 120m over 3 very difficult games. It should be Staines goal to average those sorts of numbers in the next 12 or so months.

JAC had 11 runs for 93m in the same game. Also rarely do JAC's metres come from starting sets it's from being put in space on set plays or kicks. Bellamy understands how to use a player like that.

I don't think your knocking him I think people are struggling to adapt to watching the structure of the team now we have a different style of player.

 

[Girds89]

JAC had 11 runs for 93m in the same game. Also rarely do JAC's metres come from starting sets it's from being put in space on set plays or kicks. Bellamy understands how to use a player like that.

I don't think your knocking him I think people are struggling to adapt to watching the structure of the team now we have a different style of player.

Agree Bellamy knows how to use him. Disagree on how he makes meters. He is good for a tough carry JAC. He's very strong for his size and quite often hits it up on 2nd or third tackle into the guts. He normally lands on his belly too. Don't play at the level he has if you have weaknesses and you can't just stand on the wing in origin and wait for a kick or glory play. Got to roll up the sleeves and do the hard yards.

His average meters every year in the nrl is impressive for his size, even his first season with the tigers he avg 118m per game. Since then he has average between 140 and this season is his lowest at 117m per game. Given the teams they versed so far that's not bad.

IC needs to create some plays specifically for him. Melbourne used to run the smith to cronk playing back in between the markers one side then draw them in and pass to slater coming through on the other side of the markers.

It worked countless times for melbs, qld and Australia. Teams would know about it and it was still brutally effective because the storm have fabulous execution but also cronk and slater were quick and it allowed Billy to get isolated often against covering defence and not gang tackled. Normally always resulting in him landing on his belly and an extremely quick play the ball. They used this at all ends of the field and I see no reason why IC couldn't get nath/luai, api and Staines running the exact play.

It should allow Staines to utilise his current strengths and minimise the likelihood of him getting dominated so badly in tackles. Has to be better than just the decoy runner behind the back and him running it up straight.

I know you think it's not his role and to an extent you are right but can't not roll the sleeves up and not get involved when everyone is buggered. Have to find away to get him involved more efficiently than atm. Once ivan does I have no doubt we will see him make 50+ extra meters a week regularly.

Just to clarify I thought he was very good on the weekend. Did some brilliant things for a bloke brand new on the scene

 

[Smug Panther]

What is undeniable is that he's better than Mansour in 2021. (Sorry Sauce I'll always love ya)

 

[Jane Murray]

JAC scored one try, and ran for 95 meters on Thursday. Staines, scored one try, saved two tries, and ran for 77 meters. Staines also had one try assist. About even.

 

[betcats]

If the winger marks his man and so on then there is no gap

That is the 1st thing you are taught when learning footy. Mark your player start from wing in

Oh what a load of bullshit, I don’t care what kids get taught there is no way in hell Staines is supposed to stand out there marking ado car and not follow his centre. Cooper Cronk actually said during this game when smith scored “coaches will tell you not to concede any tries but if you do concede one make sure it’s out wide”. If they have an overlap you make them go around you you do not leave a hole in the line for them.

 

[Girds89]

JAC scored one try, and ran for 95 meters on Thursday. Staines, scored one try, saved two tries, and ran for 77 meters. Staines also had one try assist. About even.

I think you miss the point I'm trying to make Jane. Not comparing them over one game or really at all.

I used JACs career as a reference point but all I'm trying to say is it would be nice over the coming 6 or so weeks to see ic get Staines involved more with some structure designed specifically for his strengths.

His clearly a dangerous player but he doesn't need to just be dangerous or only making meters on 4 or 5th tackle plays/kicks. He can be dangerous from anywhere and in the process grab a few extra meters to help the team out and give the forwards a break.

I'm sure over 12 months or so once he fills out and his body composition is similar to JAC his strength will develop and that will round out his game too.

 

[Jane Murray]

I think you miss the point I'm trying to make Jane. Not comparing them over one game or really at all.

I used JACs career as a reference point but all I'm trying to say is it would be nice over the coming 6 or so weeks to see ic get Staines involved more with some structure designed specifically for his strengths.

His clearly a dangerous player but he doesn't need to just be dangerous or only making meters on 4 or 5th tackle plays/kicks. He can be dangerous from anywhere and in the process grab a few extra meters to help the team out and give the forwards a break.

I'm sure over 12 months or so once he fills out and his body composition is similar to JAC his strength will develop and that will round out his game too.

Your post was not clear at all. Charlie is a great player, and it seems like you are death riding him.

 

[BxTom]

Staines has played 4.6 games of NRL. He has done well for a rookie. Why are we arguing about him not being a superstar yet? We have how many pages of pointless to and fro argument? People on both sides of the argument need to get a life outside of trying to have the most posts on this site. FFS.

 

[franklin2323]

Oh what a load of bullshit, I don’t care what kids get taught there is no way in hell Staines is supposed to stand out there marking ado car and not follow his centre. Cooper Cronk actually said during this game when smith scored “coaches will tell you not to concede any tries but if you do concede one make sure it’s out wide”. If they have an overlap you make them go around you you do not leave a hole in the line for them.

The centre should follow though that is thing. Communication is key in these situations.

I hope Cronk coaches that same way when advising the Roosters. To'o particularly will have a field day if Tupou and Morris are leaving wingers free

 

[WestyLife]

Staines has played 4.6 games of NRL. He has done well for a rookie. Why are we arguing about him not being a superstar yet? We have how many pages of pointless to and fro argument? People on both sides of the argument need to get a life outside of trying to have the most posts on this site. FFS.

I'd rather this football related talk than the troll in the other thread. This is harmless as hell being in last week's game thread.

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For the discussion:

The issue isn't he's not a superstar it's that people now expect all our wingers to be Mansour clones. He did as much as JAC last game, we are more left side dominant than Storm who play to JAC like we do Kikua but Staines isn't physically ready although can already compete with any winger thrown at him.

 

[franklin2323]

What is undeniable is that he's better than Mansour in 2021. (Sorry Sauce I'll always love ya)

That was never in doubt. Especially for 2022 and 2023

 

[WestyLife]

The centre should follow though that is thing. Communication is key in these situations.

I hope Cronk coaches that same way when advising the Roosters. To'o particularly will have a field day if Tupou and Morris are leaving wingers free

Defence works inside out not outside in.

 

[betcats]

The centre should follow though that is thing. Communication is key in these situations.

I hope Cronk coaches that same way when advising the Roosters. To'o particularly will have a field day if Tupou and Morris are leaving wingers free

Oh yeah Franklin understands defence better than cooper Cronk lol you muppet.

If they both they stay out the storm score one pass off the scrum. They had an extra attacker on that side of field, do you understand what and overlap is? One of the attackers was always going to be free, either a winger or someone closer in.

 

[franklin2323]

Defence works inside out not outside in.

Not the good ones. How many tries get scored on Roosters or Storm outwide over the last few years?

The way to beat good defences is up the middle. Especially with the corner post in play now teams will eat that stuff up all day

 

[betcats]

Staines has played 4.6 games of NRL. He has done well for a rookie. Why are we arguing about him not being a superstar yet? We have how many pages of pointless to and fro argument? People on both sides of the argument need to get a life outside of trying to have the most posts on this site. FFS.

Yeah I’d much rather be the guy on the internet telling the other people on the internet to get a life. This discussion was completely on topic till your post Bx.

 

[betcats]

Not the good ones. How many tries get scored on Roosters or Storm outwide over the last few years?

Are you serious with this??? Hahahahaha

 

[franklin2323]

Oh yeah Franklin understands defence better than cooper Cronk lol you muppet.

If they both they stay out the storm score one pass off the scrum. They had an extra attacker on that side of field, do you understand what and overlap is? One of the attackers was always going to be free, either a winger or someone closer in.

How many halves now throw that harbour bridge now? For starters even since he played the game has evolved

How? There are the same amount of defenders as attackers. If you mark your guy there is no gap

Newcastle had one very similar poor defence and preventable

 

[franklin2323]

Are you serious with this??? Hahahahaha

Answer the question. How many times did Vunivalu or JAC get scored around? It happens very few times