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RTS returning to the NRL

aqua_duck

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No mention of dell tearing the all blacks up

heck I used to watch how he played in union and he was a star

and like I said I doubt a former dally m player is really not talented enough to walk into this all blacks based on talent alone


I even remember one test Steve larkham did a bomb and the union crowd was amazed at it
Sailor tearing the all blacks up? He only played 5 games against the all blacks (4 starts and 1 bench) and scored 1 try in a game they got 50 put on them. Wendell was a decent union player but I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make, he was also one of the best league wingers ever.
In terms of RTS, it’s not merely about talent, he’s missed a lot of time through injuries and hasn’t really been able to find his best position. His best position and the position he played in school is outside centre but he’s played mostly inside centre as the outside centre for the blues is a current all black and considered a precocious talent. Inside centre or 2nd 5 just doesn’t really suit RTS, for context it’s the same position SBW, Burgess, Te’o played and the same position Angus Crichton and Cam Murray played as schoolboys so obviously RTS is a different skill set and body type.
 

aqua_duck

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The boss of the aru actually said this about league trying to get union players, you can’t make this up :


I reckon they’ve got Buckley’s in those markets. They’ll be total snobs with league and would look down on it. But go for it.”
That’s in reference to STH Africa and Argentina and he’s probably right, different culture and for them it’s all about the international game. Most of those guys wouldn’t even know much about rugby league to be fair
 

Wb1234

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Sailor tearing the all blacks up? He only played 5 games against the all blacks (4 starts and 1 bench) and scored 1 try in a game they got 50 put on them. Wendell was a decent union player but I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make, he was also one of the best league wingers ever.
In terms of RTS, it’s not merely about talent, he’s missed a lot of time through injuries and hasn’t really been able to find his best position. His best position and the position he played in school is outside centre but he’s played mostly inside centre as the outside centre for the blues is a current all black and considered a precocious talent. Inside centre or 2nd 5 just doesn’t really suit RTS, for context it’s the same position SBW, Burgess, Te’o played and the same position Angus Crichton and Cam Murray played as schoolboys so obviously RTS is a different skill set and body type.
Wendell would’ve scored more but Gregan began cutting him out when he was on a one and one which is unstoppable

burgess got fast tracked into a World Cup

Wallabies hand out jerseys to league players like candy

when Benji didn’t make it I thought fair enough he’s a half they have good halves but someone like rts who can play fullback wing or centre in a losing all blacks side ? Yeh nah not buying it
 

Wb1234

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That’s in reference to STH Africa and Argentina and he’s probably right, different culture and for them it’s all about the international game. Most of those guys wouldn’t even know much about rugby league to be fair
No he didn’t say it’s about the international game

he said they look down on league
 

aqua_duck

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No he didn’t say it’s about the international game

he said they look down on league
Because for those countries it’s all about the international aspect of rugby union, there is a certain level of snobbiness too. League is big in 3 markets, union has a broader global appeal, someone from Argentina or SA would probably look at that and not think much.
 

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Wendell would’ve scored more but Gregan began cutting him out when he was on a one and one which is unstoppable

burgess got fast tracked into a World Cup

Wallabies hand out jerseys to league players like candy

when Benji didn’t make it I thought fair enough he’s a half they have good halves but someone like rts who can play fullback wing or centre in a losing all blacks side ? Yeh nah not buying it
How do you cut out a winger?
So what’s your conspiracy for RTS? That he was left out to spite NRL? In union he’s not a fullback, fullbacks in union are primary kickers which isn’t what RTS is, he’s a 13 or winger but stuck behind 3 current all blacks in those positions at the blues so in fairness hasn’t had a chance to shine in those positions.
 

Wb1234

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Because for those countries it’s all about the international aspect of rugby union, there is a certain level of snobbiness too. League is big in 3 markets, union has a broader global appeal, someone from Argentina or SA would probably look at that and not think much.
dunno sounds more to me like a class thing
How do you cut out a winger?
So what’s your conspiracy for RTS? That he was left out to spite NRL? In union he’s not a fullback, fullbacks in union are primary kickers which isn’t what RTS is, he’s a 13 or winger but stuck behind 3 current all blacks in those positions at the blues so in fairness hasn’t had a chance to shine in those positions.
League boy closed shop unless necessary

wendall had did a run around and had space

he was clearly playing too well for them didn’t look good on the other wallabies
 

aqua_duck

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Du

dunno sounds more to me like a class thing

League boy closed shop unless necessary

wendall had did a run around and had space

he was clearly playing too well for them didn’t look good on the other wallabies
With those kind of conspiracy I’m guessing you’re a Riccardo Bosi voter?
 
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The boss of the aru actually said this about league trying to get union players, you can’t make this up :


I reckon they’ve got Buckley’s in those markets. They’ll be total snobs with league and would look down on it. But go for it.”
That’s a lot of money for a potential untried player. If it did become an option and clubs could afford it, my targets would be high profile backs from England, Ireland, Scotland or Wales and play on the lifestyle choice of moving to Aus. Dunno what Melbourne or Canberra would offer though haha
 

shiznit

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Wendell would’ve scored more but Gregan began cutting him out when he was on a one and one which is unstoppable

burgess got fast tracked into a World Cup

Wallabies hand out jerseys to league players like candy

when Benji didn’t make it I thought fair enough he’s a half they have good halves but someone like rts who can play fullback wing or centre in a losing all blacks side ? Yeh nah not buying it
RTS’ issue is he lacks the kicking game to be a fullback and the All Blacks don’t lack options in the outside backs.

Jason Robinson was a similar type of player as RTS and was a great fullback in RU but those English teams had to pick teams which had to compliment that.

He’s just not a good enough of an upgrade at Fullback to justify making that adjustment.

It’s a losing All Black side compared to previous All Blacks sides but still far better than the Wallabies.
 

Wb1234

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RTS’ issue is he lacks the kicking game to be a fullback and the All Blacks don’t lack options in the outside backs.

Jason Robinson was a similar type of player as RTS and was a great fullback in RU but those English teams had to pick teams which had to compliment that.

He’s just not a good enough of an upgrade at Fullback to justify making that adjustment.

It’s a losing All Black side compared to previous All Blacks sides but still far better than the Wallabies.
Comparing to the wallabies is hardly an achievement given the size of union in nz vs aus

jason Robinson was a star in union

good luck to the all blacks for not giving him a decent crack bc if they had he probably wouldn’t be coming back he’s a gun
 

shiznit

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Comparing to the wallabies is hardly an achievement given the size of union in nz vs aus

jason Robinson was a star in union

good luck to the all blacks for not giving him a decent crack bc if they had he probably wouldn’t be coming back he’s a gun
They gave him about as good of a crack as they could… they pretty much handed him an All Black jersey for a few tests last year based solely on potential because nothing he had done up until that point warranted him being in that team.

He just didn’t leave himself enough time to make the transition and what time he has had has been interrupted by niggling injuries.

the honest reality of the situation… and i say this is as an actual Blues fan… he’s flat out trying keep his spot in the Blues let alone the All Blacks.

in the backline pecking order at the Blues he would be behind Barrett, Ioane, Clarke & Telea in importance… and that’s being kind.
 

shiznit

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Comparing to the wallabies is hardly an achievement given the size of union in nz vs aus

jason Robinson was a star in union

good luck to the all blacks for not giving him a decent crack bc if they had he probably wouldn’t be coming back he’s a gun
The first bit of this video is probably a fair reflection on RTS time in Rugby


these guys were pretty fair IMO… didn’t take shots at him or the other code like the bloody idiot Australian NRL media seem to be doing at the moment.
 

BODISGOD

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That’s a lot of money for a potential untried player. If it did become an option and clubs could afford it, my targets would be high profile backs from England, Ireland, Scotland or Wales and play on the lifestyle choice of moving to Aus. Dunno what Melbourne or Canberra would offer though haha
You won’t get any big names from the Northern Hemisphere. I could see an All Black potentially.

It’s more likely that you could pick up decent juniors from the likes of South Africa with this system. South African high school rugby is an insane standard.
 
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You won’t get any big names from the Northern Hemisphere. I could see an All Black potentially.

It’s more likely that you could pick up decent juniors from the likes of South Africa with this system. South African high school rugby is an insane standard.
But any $1m waiver from the salary cap per club isn’t designed for high school players, it’s designed for profile players.
 

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I called for this for any new expansion clubs. Not sure its a good idea generally for every club.
All it will do is what we say the other way. If you want to earn big money in the NRL best to play union as a jnr.
I've no doubt there's plenty of union backs and the odd forward that could transition to League. But I dont think 1mill does it for the best of them.

I remember my club signing a scottish union FB back in the 80's for a world record fee and he turned out to be the best FB we ever had. They are out there, probably better though as said scouting the Sth African and NZ jnr comps and getting them at 17/18. Maybe we need more incentive for the 18 year to switch than the established star?
 
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I called for this for any new expansion clubs. Not sure its a good idea generally for every club.
All it will do is what we say the other way. If you want to earn big money in the NRL best to play union as a jnr.
I've no doubt there's plenty of union backs and the odd forward that could transition to League. But I dont think 1mill does it for the best of them.

I remember my club signing a scottish union FB back in the 80's for a world record fee and he turned out to be the best FB we ever had. They are out there, probably better though as said scouting the Sth African and NZ jnr comps and getting them at 17/18. Maybe we need more incentive for the 18 year to switch than the established star?
Set up an NRL academy for foreign 19-20 y/o, all living costs and expenses covered plus small allowance. Dish them out to NRL clubs at the end of the year on a draft basis as a centrally paid academy player, outside the maximum squad allowance and salary cap.
 

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