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Rugby Australia to target top NRL talent

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Rugby Australia boss Phil Waugh says he is not interested in recruiting any more high-priced rugby league players, and signalled the game won’t be cutting Joseph Suaalii-sized cheques for its own off-contract stars either.

After a year of rugby openly expressing interest in poaching NRL players, which has prompted the NRL to consider salary cap exemptions for raids on rugby, the 15-man game appears to have taken a sharp U-turn.
Waugh, who played for Australia with NRL converts Lote Tuqiri, Wendell Sailor and Mat Rogers, was on the RA board that approved the $1.5m-a-year contract of Suaalii for 2025-27 but has said repeatedly since becoming chief executive in June that Australian rugby is facing significant financial challenges.
After announcing the first step of a national high-performance alignment on Tuesday, Waugh said his focus as chief executive will now be investing in pathways for rugby’s best young talent, instead of league players.

Asked if the days of throwing money at league players is gone, Waugh said: “Yep.”
“I just don’t think we need to,” Waugh continued.
“An absolute priority of mine is the pathways and which is my point around I don’t care if people are playing in league and AFL and other sports [as juniors], as long as they’re also experiencing rugby.

“And then we’ve actually got a really clear pathway for those 15-, 16-, 17-year-olds to become Wallabies or Super Rugby players, sooner than what they have historically. I think we’ve seen that with Max [Jorgensen] coming straight out of school into the Waratahs, you know, that’s sort of the journey that we’d like those top athletes to have.”
Eighteen-year-old Jorgensen, who debuted for NSW this year and was only denied a Wallabies debut by injury, is one of several young guns at the centre of a new skirmish between rugby and rugby league.

After Rugby Australia crowed about signing Suaalii from the Roosters in March, the Bondi club could potentially exact revenge by poaching rising Wallabies star Mark Nawaqanitawase. The Waratahs winger met with Roosters coach Trent Robinson this week for a coffee to discuss a potential code-switch in 2025.
The Roosters are also keen to recruit Jorgensen, after unsuccessfully trying to sign him at school.
Changes to the NRL salary cap rules, which would give clubs exemptions for signing players from rugby, would help their cause.

Asked about Nawaqanitawase and the threat of NRL raids, Waugh said his goal was to get Rugby Australia’s house back in order after a turbulent few years, and give players confidence they’re spending their career in a stable and successful sport.
“I don’t think we need to respond to speculation,” Waugh said. “We certainly have a job to do in terms of actually getting our game in order, to attract the best possible athletes.
“I do genuinely think that the international component of our game is compelling, when you compare it rugby league and to AFL. But what we need to do is actually provide security to our players that they trust the administration in the direction we’re taking the game.”
The inevitable consequence of signing Suaalii on a huge salary – which RA chairman Hamish McLennan labelled “reassuringly expensive” – is that representatives for rugby players like Nawaqanitawase and Jorgensen will push RA for an equitable pay packet.

Waugh signalled Rugby Australia would not be playing ball, however.
“I keep talking about being fiscally responsible because you know, I think the game historically has spent more than we can afford,” Waugh said.

“And this is why I come back to what’s the environment that we’re creating to attract players. So it’s not just all about money. You don’t want to be attracting people just because of the money, and then you don’t have the environment sorted out.
“We can’t ignore the fact that we’ve got athletes, not just rugby league targeting them, but you’ll have overseas clubs that will target them as well from a rugby perspective.

“We need to ensure that we’re creating an environment that people want to be here, and we’re filling stadiums and it’s a real buzz around the game that we’ve experienced previously. But we’re certainly not there right now.”

 

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ARLC chairman Peter V’landys has flagged financial incentives for Wallabies to be targeted as well, as Roosters coach Trent Robinson and club boss Nick Politis met with off-contract Waratahs and Australian winger Mark Nawaqanitawase on Tuesday.
A preferred model for poached athletes could involve a percentage of their contracts being excluded from the salary cap, though several club CEOs, speaking on the condition of anonymity given the developing nature of the proposal, questioned the likely parameters involved.

Canberra CEO Don Furner urged the NRL to focus any salary cap relief on rewarding development clubs such as the Raiders and Panthers, beyond the current system that allows for “a couple of hundred thousand dollars” in cap concessions for producing juniors.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/on...en-next-end-the-code-war-20230330-p5cwm5.html
“I’ve been down this road before and we’ve had these rugby exemption-type discussions before,” Furner told this masthead.
“Personally, I believe the emphasis needs to be salary cap relief for developing and keeping your own juniors, the kids that play rugby league.
“Keep the focus and resources going into rugby league. For example, I imagine a team like Penrith would much prefer being able to hang onto their juniors rather than going out and trying to buy a Max Jorgensen or another rugby kid”.
Panthers football boss Matt Cameron confirmed Furner’s suspicion. “While it’s an interesting idea to be targeting players from other sports for a top 30 NRL spot, I think we’ve got more than enough talent in our own backyard,” he said.

Another Sydney-based club chief questioned what parameters would be used to define what constitutes a rugby player given most of the best young players in the 15-man game are contracted to NRL clubs in their teens already.
Glamour Sydney clubs such as the Roosters and Rabbitohs have naturally fostered stronger rugby connections than many rivals given their development catchments, while the Warriors’ pathways are also intertwined with the code in rugby-mad New Zealand.
The Roosters especially have been at the forefront of escalating squabbles for talent between the codes, their interest in Nawaqanitawase coming after he pushed for a multi-year deal from Rugby Australia last season, only to be offered a 12-month extension.

A tug-of-war for rising Waratahs star, World Cup tourist and Roosters junior Max Jorgensen also looms for 2025 and beyond, while rugby’s pursuit of NRL stars Joseph Suaalii and Angus Crichton occupied plenty of column inches in the past six months.
Abdo has no appetite to revive the famed marquee player “war chest” of predecessor Dave Smith to attract athletes, or, with a nod to rugby-bound Suaalii, encourage some to “return to league from other codes”.

“It won’t be a free-for-all,” Abdo said when asked how a relief system could be kept from undermining the salary cap. “It will be delicate, and it will be about making sure there’s an opportunity for all clubs on an equal basis to have one or two potential talented players that they recruit, potentially from other codes around the world.
“It’ll be carefully considered, though, because we do want to make sure that we focus on our pathways, and we also want to maintain competitive balance.

“Our primary focus is developing rugby league talent through our own pathways, we’re also open to attracting and potentially in some cases returning to league from other codes.
“Any change the Commission might make to that policy will have to be very carefully considered, and there will be parameters and caps.”
In response to the threat of rugby league raids, Rugby Australia boss Phil Waugh said the 15-man game needed to restore trust with players, who he acknowledged may be disillusioned and looking at other options after Australia’s disastrous World Cup campaign and Eddie Jones’s abrupt departure.
Waugh made his comments at a press conference to announce Rugby Australia’s historic “integration” with the NSW Waratahs, which is designed to be the first step in all states joining together under a national high-performance structure.

“We’ve lost a lot of trust with the playing group,” Waugh said. “The experience that they had this year with the Wallabies at the World Cup, compared to, I guess what they would have envisaged going into the World Cup might have been very different.
“So it’s really important for us to build a system that’s attractive for them to be a part of. With the runway we have, and I know it’s not far away, with the British and Irish Lions in ’25 and World Cup in ’27. It should be pretty exciting for them to stand up and be a part of it.”

 

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Furner is spot on

reward development clubs via salary cap relief that’s way more important than signing union players

there’s going to be a lot of unhappy wallabies when one guy is getting 1.8 million and someone like jorguussan whose a better union player is on 300k
 

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The nrl should be taking 30 French and English juniors into our pathways

after 3 years send them home get another 30

that will develop international rugby league immensely
 

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Furner is spot on

reward development clubs via salary cap relief that’s way more important than signing union players

there’s going to be a lot of unhappy wallabies when one guy is getting 1.8 million and someone like jorguussan whose a better union player is on 300k
He is right! If you have a player for 5 years 10% of thier salary should be exempt and after 10 years 30% .
Encourages development and loyalty.
 

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He is right! If you have a player for 5 years 10% of thier salary should be exempt and after 10 years 30% .
Encourages development and loyalty.
Do both…. The development exemption is tokenism at the moment - there needs to be a limit to it (x number of players can count), but there should definitely be a strong reward for development. But then, why not also have an exemption for other sports/overseas juniors etc too - we don’t have to just focus on 1 area.
 

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Super rugby Australia looking to cut a team

“With noise that RA is entertaining returning to four Super Rugby franchises despite Waugh’s “commitment to five”,

that’s not going to help their World Cup losing Perth Melbourne or Canberra
 
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Super rugby Australia looking to cut a team

“With noise that RA is entertaining returning to four Super Rugby franchises despite Waugh’s “commitment to five”,

that’s not going to help their World Cup losing Perth Melbourne or Canberra
My money would be on Melbourne getting dropped. Canberra is a Union stronghold with proud history and Perth has 1 of the richest backers in sport. Melbourne is a failure when they hold an entire round there lol
 

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If they ditch the Brumbies, their most successful club, Raiders get a monopoly on the city, and before anyone mentions GWS and afl, they’re not threats, if it’s Melbourne, that’s a huge financial market lost and if it’s WA, Twiggy will crack the shits and funding and a Perth NRL team gets a free ride

it’s win-win-win
 

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If they ditch the Brumbies, their most successful club, Raiders get a monopoly on the city, and before anyone mentions GWS and afl, they’re not threats, if it’s Melbourne, that’s a huge financial market lost and if it’s WA, Twiggy will crack the shits and funding and a Perth NRL team gets a free ride

it’s win-win-win

If they do cut the Brumbies the Raiders should have a look at Lolesio & Ikitau.
 

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My money would be on Melbourne getting dropped. Canberra is a Union stronghold with proud history and Perth has 1 of the richest backers in sport. Melbourne is a failure when they hold an entire round there lol
Melbourne should have been the team to get punted a few years ago instead of Perth. Politics in play back then
 

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My money would be on Melbourne getting dropped. Canberra is a Union stronghold with proud history and Perth has 1 of the richest backers in sport. Melbourne is a failure when they hold an entire round there lol
Hope it’s the brumbies
Rebels getting killed off would have zero benefit for the storm

brumbies get killed off raiders crowds go through the roof

Melbourne being killed off would hurt World Cup crowds in a big city they need to make money off
 

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Maybe other clubs should have gotten off their collective lazy backsides then eh?
Within two days it's being reported that two high profile rugby union players are in the Roosters sites. Despite NRL CEO saying these sorts of 'off the cap' deals will be evenly spread everyone can see the bullshit for what it is - Roosters being innovative in rorting the cap but lobbying the NRL to make it legal. If, as you say, other clubs got off their backsides the NRL will tell them to get back in their box, but the minute Uncle Nick or anyone at the Broncos asks for something, they get it.

Furners been pushing for junior concessions for 15 years and where has it got him?
 

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Hope it’s the brumbies
Rebels getting killed off would have zero benefit for the storm

brumbies get killed off raiders crowds go through the roof

Melbourne being killed off would hurt World Cup crowds in a big city they need to make money off
Brumbies crowds disappeared / came across a few years ago.


They've dropped even further in the last 5 years. Lucky to get 5k.
 

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If they ditch the Brumbies, their most successful club, Raiders get a monopoly on the city
And there wouldn't be another cent spent on rectangular infrastructure or grassroots facilities in the ACT at least until Andrew Barr is replaced as chief minister, or more realistically until the Labour/Greens coalition is defeated, and the odds of that happening any time in the foreseeable future are at best slim to none.

The Brumbies folding would also undoubtably lead to the ACT & Southern NSW Rugby Union regressing and local grassroots RU going into steep decline. The Raiders are as reliant on those RU grassroots systems to develop talent as the RL equivalents, and they are partially or fully responsible for producing as many, if not more at times, local NRL players as the RL system is. Players like Ricky Stuart, David Furner, Michael Maguire, Josh Dugan, etc, etc, all came through those RU systems, and would have had a much more difficult time finding their way into professional RL without them.

The Brumbies folding would be such a monumental disaster for the Raiders and RL in the region, especially ATM, that I'd go so far as to say that they should do everything in their power to prevent it from happening, even if it meant attempting to invest in them or buying them out and running them themselves.
 
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Hope it’s the brumbies
Rebels getting killed off would have zero benefit for the storm

brumbies get killed off raiders crowds go through the roof

Melbourne being killed off would hurt World Cup crowds in a big city they need to make money off
Brumbies crowds disappeared / came across a few years ago.


They've dropped even further in the last 5 years. Lucky to get 5k.
LOL!

Yeah there's more crossover between the RU and RL support bases in Canberra than most other places, but the vast core of RU's support in Canberra is no more likely to be caught dead supporting the Raiders now than they were 20 years ago or than most fanatical RL supporters are of dropping their NRL side to follow RU.

RU's fanbase in Canberra is still there, it's just largely gone dormant because of the ARU's chronic mismanagement over the last 20 years, which BTW, is what makes the Brumbies current struggles so fascinating, as they are largely the results of other people's mistakes and not their own.
 
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Listened to a Rob Burrow podcast earlier, he had Johnny Wilkinson on as a guest - whilst he didn’t quite fully admit it in words, it was clear he thinks rugby league players are better athletes and that our game is better - he admitted that he watched a lot more Super League and NRL than he does Union.
 

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Listened to a Rob Burrow podcast earlier, he had Johnny Wilkinson on as a guest - whilst he didn’t quite fully admit it in words, it was clear he thinks rugby league players are better athletes and that our game is better - he admitted that he watched a lot more Super League and NRL than he does Union.
This is becoming more frequent. It seems like Union guys always feared admitting that they preferred league but that's changed in the last couple of years and more like a tidal wave here in NZ.
 

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