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cinders7

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NRL 2024: Joey Manu exposes how New Zealand rugby union schools pressure boys to reject rugby league

Joey Manu has lifted the lid on the tactics used by elite rugby union schools to pressure young footballers into walking away from their NRL dreams.

Fatima Kdouh
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May 8, 2024 - 12:06PM

Sydney Roosters superstar Joey Manu has revealed he avoided prestigious union schools in New Zealand out of fear he’d be pressured to walk away from his NRL dream.

It comes as this masthead lifted the lid on those tactics after it was revealed a major sponsor of the rugby union program at Hamilton Boys High School would consider pulling funding over concerns students were being allegedly pressured to walk away from the Warriors pathways system.

Manu, one of New Zealand’s best rugby league products, was born in Hamilton and raised in Tokoroa, where he also went to school before linking with Bondi club in 2014.

Joining a prestigious rugby school was an option but Manu wanted to stay at Tokoroa High School to avoid the country’s code war over rising talent.

Manu said it was not uncommon for some students to hide their preference for league in a bid to avoid risking scholarships and selection in first XV teams.

“It’s been like that for years, mainly private schools. It’s nothing really new, when you go to those big schools. That’s why I stayed in my school so I could play league,” Manu said.

“A lot of kids coming through, they get scholarships to go to big schools, most of them you have to play rugby.

“Some sneak out and play a bit of rugby league on the weekend but that’s been happening for 20 years plus.”

While Manu will leave the Roosters at season’s end to take a deal with Japanese rugby, the Kiwi international believes there is a genuine power shift taking place in his homeland.

The 15-man game is still the main sport in New Zealand but crowd attendances have been trending downwards for years now.

In the first eight rounds of the Super 14 seasons, crowds in New Zealand were down almost 19 per cent on last year over the same period.

The Warriors have enjoyed a resurgence, selling out every home across the ditch so far this season.

Manu credits the Warriors for the renewed interest in rugby league.

“Off the back of the Warriors last year, the crowds this year are a lot more popular than the Super Rugby,” Manu said.

“Usually league is only pretty big in Auckland but I think it’s getting bigger everywhere. It’s good, I’m happy rugby league is getting more popular in New Zealand.”

Junior rugby league participation is also on the rise in the country, and more rugby union schoolboys are choosing to play the sport.

The Warriors already have 26 rugby union schoolboys in its NRL pathways, which this year added a Harold Matthews (under 17’s) outfit for the first time.

The under 17’s side was crowned 2024 champions in its inaugural season after defeating Western Suburbs Magpies in the grand final two weeks ago.

An NRL spokesman told this masthead New Zealand is seen as a ‘growth opportunity’. The NRL is looking to expand its competition to 20 teams, which is likely to include a second team in New Zealand.

Manu’s Roosters teammate Sitili Tupouniua is a product of New Zealand’s famous Mt Albert Grammar School, which is one the top sports schools in the country.

Roosters premiership winner Sonny Bill Williams and Tigers forward Isaiah Papali’i are graduates of the school.

While Tupouniua never experienced any pressure to walk away from league, the backrower said it wasn’t unusual for some students to feel like they had to choose union over league.

“I didn’t experience it myself … I feel like the school was rugby union based and a lot of the boys got scholarships to that school. I feel like when they were trying to play league and the school wasn’t happy because they obviously got them over for rugby union,” Tupouniua said.

Tupouniua played both sports during his schooling days before falling in love with rugby league and moving to Australia as a 17-year old to pursue an NRL career with the Roosters.

“At first I just started playing because the boy I grew up with were playing rugby league and they would just come by my house and tell me to go training with them, I eventually started playing and feel in love with the game.
 

titoelcolombiano

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NRL 2024: Joey Manu exposes how New Zealand rugby union schools pressure boys to reject rugby league

Joey Manu has lifted the lid on the tactics used by elite rugby union schools to pressure young footballers into walking away from their NRL dreams.

Fatima Kdouh
Exclusive
May 8, 2024 - 12:06PM

Sydney Roosters superstar Joey Manu has revealed he avoided prestigious union schools in New Zealand out of fear he’d be pressured to walk away from his NRL dream.

It comes as this masthead lifted the lid on those tactics after it was revealed a major sponsor of the rugby union program at Hamilton Boys High School would consider pulling funding over concerns students were being allegedly pressured to walk away from the Warriors pathways system.

Manu, one of New Zealand’s best rugby league products, was born in Hamilton and raised in Tokoroa, where he also went to school before linking with Bondi club in 2014.

Joining a prestigious rugby school was an option but Manu wanted to stay at Tokoroa High School to avoid the country’s code war over rising talent.

Manu said it was not uncommon for some students to hide their preference for league in a bid to avoid risking scholarships and selection in first XV teams.

“It’s been like that for years, mainly private schools. It’s nothing really new, when you go to those big schools. That’s why I stayed in my school so I could play league,” Manu said.

“A lot of kids coming through, they get scholarships to go to big schools, most of them you have to play rugby.

“Some sneak out and play a bit of rugby league on the weekend but that’s been happening for 20 years plus.”

While Manu will leave the Roosters at season’s end to take a deal with Japanese rugby, the Kiwi international believes there is a genuine power shift taking place in his homeland.

The 15-man game is still the main sport in New Zealand but crowd attendances have been trending downwards for years now.

In the first eight rounds of the Super 14 seasons, crowds in New Zealand were down almost 19 per cent on last year over the same period.

The Warriors have enjoyed a resurgence, selling out every home across the ditch so far this season.

Manu credits the Warriors for the renewed interest in rugby league.

“Off the back of the Warriors last year, the crowds this year are a lot more popular than the Super Rugby,” Manu said.

“Usually league is only pretty big in Auckland but I think it’s getting bigger everywhere. It’s good, I’m happy rugby league is getting more popular in New Zealand.”

Junior rugby league participation is also on the rise in the country, and more rugby union schoolboys are choosing to play the sport.

The Warriors already have 26 rugby union schoolboys in its NRL pathways, which this year added a Harold Matthews (under 17’s) outfit for the first time.

The under 17’s side was crowned 2024 champions in its inaugural season after defeating Western Suburbs Magpies in the grand final two weeks ago.

An NRL spokesman told this masthead New Zealand is seen as a ‘growth opportunity’. The NRL is looking to expand its competition to 20 teams, which is likely to include a second team in New Zealand.

Manu’s Roosters teammate Sitili Tupouniua is a product of New Zealand’s famous Mt Albert Grammar School, which is one the top sports schools in the country.

Roosters premiership winner Sonny Bill Williams and Tigers forward Isaiah Papali’i are graduates of the school.

While Tupouniua never experienced any pressure to walk away from league, the backrower said it wasn’t unusual for some students to feel like they had to choose union over league.

“I didn’t experience it myself … I feel like the school was rugby union based and a lot of the boys got scholarships to that school. I feel like when they were trying to play league and the school wasn’t happy because they obviously got them over for rugby union,” Tupouniua said.

Tupouniua played both sports during his schooling days before falling in love with rugby league and moving to Australia as a 17-year old to pursue an NRL career with the Roosters.

“At first I just started playing because the boy I grew up with were playing rugby league and they would just come by my house and tell me to go training with them, I eventually started playing and feel in love with the game.
Nope, doesn't happen anymore guys. Our resident Union fans say so
 

Wb1234

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This is after they sold themselves to private equity now that money is all gone

meanwhile the nrl has said it’s going to 20 teams with nz2 looking like team 20
 

flippikat

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If they can't make Rugby Union work in New Zealand then they're doing something wrong.
It's partially market size, though.

In the reality of the current sporting world, the catchment (particularly spectators/fans that generate revenue streams) of some of these Provincial Union's is painfully small.
 
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Yes been following this one for a while; it'll be very interesting to see how it unfolds.

The central contracting model has served NZ rugby well for a long time, and interestingly, Ireland say their move to a similar model has been a catalyst for their recent success at international level.

But NZ SR teams have been crying out to have more control over their players for a long time. They see the central model as being a major inhibitor to building the commercial and supporter appeal of their franchises, and by extension, the competition itself.

NZRPA needs to be careful how hard they go at this though. Most of the game's revenue here is derived from the All Black brand and NZR owns that, not the players. If neither party finds a way to make this work, they may both come away with fk all.
 

final say

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Not unexpected but shit news nevertheless for everyone involved with the franchise. Hope they're all able to find new homes soon
I think it's an opportunity for the Storm. They could offer contracts to potential players so they don't have to leave Melbourne ,offer discounts for Rebels season ticket holders and see if they can't pull some of the junior academies over to league.

The real issue now becomes who replaces the Rebels? Suck a short period of time and costly considering those options are international ( which could prove to be a bigger financial black hole than the Rebels)
And if they're not replaced, it's a breach of contract with broadcasters..

Union die hards don't realise how much impact this will have.
Add to that the upheaval at Rugby NZ..
Super Rugby is on the ropes!

The NRL are mad to expand into a 3rd world country while New Zealand is there for the taking!
 
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I think it's an opportunity for the Storm. They could offer contracts to potential players so they don't have to leave Melbourne ,offer discounts for Rebels season ticket holders and see if they can't pull some of the junior academies over to league.
I'm sure there might be the odd player who could transition to league, but I'd be surprised if it's more than 2-3 max. Certainly none of the tight forwards. I think most will be able to find gigs offshore though, if they're willing to move.

The real issue now becomes who replaces the Rebels? Suck a short period of time and costly considering those options are international ( which could prove to be a bigger financial black hole than the Rebels)
And if they're not replaced, it's a breach of contract with broadcasters..

I don't think they will. I think part of the reason RA has let the team die is because they've belatedly accepted Australian rugby don't have the depth to support 5 SR teams, which is what the rest of SANZAAR had been telling them for about a decade.

Agree that now means a broadcaster problem to sort out, but I think they'll try tackle that separately while consolidating their talent base into fewer but more competitive teams, and aim to rebuild supporter and commercial interest that way.

Union die hards don't realise how much impact this will have.
Add to that the upheaval at Rugby NZ..
Super Rugby is on the ropes!

The NRL are mad to expand into a 3rd world country while New Zealand is there for the taking!
No doubt in my mind how big a deal this is. Losing teams is never trivial.
 
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