Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

[franklin2323]

As for the figures banging around

Tino signed for $2m over 3 years
Flegler was offered $800k. Stayed for $650k

So there are crazy clubs out there

 

[franklin2323]

The club can't be ruining it's cap over one player, whether it be Crighton or Lenui.

The issue is. Predicting what a 19 year old will be like in 3 years.

Take the speeding up the game. If tall and lean is the go then guys like Paulo and Leinu may struggle.

So that is it issue with these crazy numbers thrown around

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

The issue is. Predicting what a 19 year old will be like in 3 years.

Take the speeding up the game. If tall and lean is the go then guys like Paulo and Leinu may struggle.

So that is it issue with these crazy numbers thrown around

Look at blokes like Cartwright, Blake even RCG, Moylan, Peachy. All given big big contracts at other clubs for what end.

Because of no reggies in 2020 who knows what kids are lurking around.

Also bloke who went away for big big deals (where they failed) come back ob very cheap deals like Robert Jennings.

 

[Jane Murray]

The issue is. Predicting what a 19 year old will be like in 3 years.

Take the speeding up the game. If tall and lean is the go then guys like Paulo and Leinu may struggle.

So that is it issue with these crazy numbers thrown around

Both are aged 20.

 

[franklin2323]

There is no way any competent management would offer 850k to a unproven player.That is halfback money
.Even blade said crighton is not getting 750k no way spencer is getting more creighton .He would be offered more than a prop

How much was Ponga on when Knights 1st got him?

How much did Tino get at GC

Plenty of useless mangement across RL

 

[age.s]

Really? He had a stellar year, it’s just the club chose to use him differently than in the past, so he didn’t get the same amount of touches. He’s a huge reason we scored so much on the left. He also won second rower of the year in everyone’s awards/rankings.


Can’t help but feel there’s some recency bias going on with Kikau after his poor grand final.

It's got nothing to do with recency bias. His finals campaign (not just the gf) was terrible, but his regular season was up and down. You could argue part of it is how we used him, but there were so many games where he had one or two decent touches and was just cut out of the play for the rest of the time. That might not be his fault, but that's kind of the point. We need to use him better. The middle may or may not be the answer, but something needs to change.

 

[Luke Bowden]

It's got nothing to do with recency bias. His finals campaign (not just the gf) was terrible, but his regular season was up and down. You could argue part of it is how we used him, but there were so many games where he had one or two decent touches and was just cut out of the play for the rest of the time. That might not be his fault, but that's kind of the point. We need to use him better. The middle may or may not be the answer, but something needs to change.

It's got nothing to do with recency bias. His finals campaign (not just the gf) was terrible, but his regular season was up and down. You could argue part of it is how we used him, but there were so many games where he had one or two decent touches and was just cut out of the play for the rest of the time. That might not be his fault, but that's kind of the point. We need to use him better. The middle may or may not be the answer, but something needs to change.

He was the best back rower of the season. We don’t need to change much.

 

[murraymob]

How much was Ponga on when Knights 1st got him?

How much did Tino get at GC

Plenty of useless mangement across RL

Are you comparing spencer to ponga even for you that’s a long bow

 

[hindy111]

With big money comes big expectations.

650k gets you an origin quality prop. No way he has been offered this. I reckon 500k is overs. My guess is Panthers would of offered him 350-400k and the dogs are 150k more.

 

[hindy111]

How often do we develop props of that potential? Props prime is from 21-26, he’s just coming in to that period. Tetevano isn’t a replacement for what Leniu brings in impact.

of course the question of his actual value is a hard one, but it’s definitely more than your typical bench prop.

No way. 23 - 29 are peak props age. Very rare a prop is at peak by 21.
I'd even suggest 24 -28 are there best years. But with diets and fitness these days plenty are good at 30.

 

[hindy111]

The issue is. Predicting what a 19 year old will be like in 3 years.

Take the speeding up the game. If tall and lean is the go then guys like Paulo and Leinu may struggle.

So that is it issue with these crazy numbers thrown around

Jnr has wicked ball skills. Parras attack is nearly all based off him. Offloads, decoys and general passing game.
He is also very fit for a big guy. Can play 60mins. And on 650k. Does Spencer deserve that type of money?
Jnrs defense can lag in the middle which is true.

 

[betcats]

Spencer hits hard and put props on their backs already, there is no issue with his defence at all. He will be a top 3 or 4 prop one day Ive got no doubt. But we cant match a ridiculous offer to keep him, we already moved on two props and potentially will move on a third if Leniu stays, if that isnt enough then we have to let him go.

 

[betcats]

Jnr has wicked ball skills. Parras attack is nearly all based off him. Offloads, decoys and general passing game.
He is also very fit for a big guy. Can play 60mins. And on 650k. Does Spencer deserve that type of money?
Jnrs defense can lag in the middle which is true.

Spencer will end up a much better prop than Paulo. Not being a dick I just think he will exceed him comfortably and probably in the next couple seasons.

 

[franklin2323]

Are you comparing spencer to ponga even for you that’s a long bow

Ash Taylor then...

There are many players that get stupid money from desperate clubs with very limited FG games

 

[franklin2323]

Jnr has wicked ball skills. Parras attack is nearly all based off him. Offloads, decoys and general passing game.
He is also very fit for a big guy. Can play 60mins. And on 650k. Does Spencer deserve that type of money?
Jnrs defense can lag in the middle which is true.

You aren't paying for Spencer now...you are paying for 2023 or 2024 version. Where that version sits is the guessing part

 

[franklin2323]

Spencer hits hard and put props on their backs already, there is no issue with his defence at all. He will be a top 3 or 4 prop one day Ive got no doubt. But we cant match a ridiculous offer to keep him, we already moved on two props and potentially will move on a third if Leniu stays, if that isnt enough then we have to let him go.

Maybe it is wrong but I see props being tall and lean and can play big minutes. That is the unknown right now.

That said I hope we keep him but hope we don't pay stupid money. Would rather give JFH the big upgrade

 

[betcats]

Maybe it is wrong but I see props being tall and lean and can play big minutes. That is the unknown right now.

That said I hope we keep him but hope we don't pay stupid money. Would rather give JFH the big upgrade

I dont think there is one type. Spencer's build gives him a low centre of gravity combined with incredible power through his hips and glutes and his short legs mean he can pump those legs quickly to keep moving after contact and he finds his stomach more often than not. Tall props are good but they take longer to get moving and are easier to hold up and slow down the play the ball. A higher centre of gravity makes them easier to knock over also, i think a mix is good but I like short powerful props like Spencer a lot. With a set defensive line ready to charge up and smash the ball carrier ill take a prop like spencer for the hitup over a tall prop like RCG.

 

[betcats]

Are you comparing spencer to ponga even for you that’s a long bow

It hard to compare those positions but I would put Spencer in Ponga's class. He is extremely gifted and will likely end up a more consistent player.

 

[franklin2323]

I dont think there is one type. Spencer's build gives him a low centre of gravity combined with incredible power through his hips and glutes and his short legs mean he can pump those legs quickly to keep moving after contact and he finds his stomach more often than not. Tall props are good but they take longer to get moving and are easier to hold up and slow down the play the ball. A higher centre of gravity makes them easier to knock over also, i think a mix is good but I like short powerful props like Spencer a lot. With a set defensive line ready to charge up and smash the ball carrier ill take a prop like spencer for the hitup over a tall prop like RCG.

I just haven't seen his lateral movement. How quick is he to turn off the back of a couple of quick play the ball. Things like that for the new rules coming in. I'd rather have him then not but the crazy money is a gamble

 

[hindy111]

Spencer will end up a much better prop than Paulo. Not being a dick I just think he will exceed him comfortably and probably in the next couple seasons.

There are better props then Jnr. But he is maybe the most unique which is why he is so great
Look at JFH. He is awesome. But he can not bring to the table the same skills. So if your propr is a major part of your game plan your JFH style are easier to emulate. Jnr is impossible to replace and would require a new game plan.

Leinu I have not seen enough of. But I see a slightly bigger Leota/Tetavano style. He may become as good as Fonua Blake who is a weapon.
But these big guys. Teams soon realise what they are and just double up on them. Unless he major offload skills and more talent that just power I wouldnt be worried.
Unlike JFH he doesnt seem to have aggression.