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Rumoured/Confirmed Signings and More Crap XVIII

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WTF? Meehan and Leuluai have played one NRL game between them. They will be fighting for a chance to maybe play some first grade if there is a few injuries. Leuluai is also a front rower.

Both Leuluai and Meehan are upcoming stars. Meehan especially who was part of the Junior Kangaroos last year. Why would they not be pushing for spots in the 17? Leuluai can also play in the backrow.

As for why move Guerra to the edge, he wore jersey 11 or 12 seven times this year, as well as twice playing centre. He also played edge forward for Queensland in games two and three.

The reason the Chooks will move him to the edge is because that is his best position and where he has more room to move.

As for Aubusson, he is a cheap utility. He played 21 games this year but only started four of them in the second row - that's about half as many as Guerra played at the same position. Aubusson started more games at centre than second row.

Guerra has done a fine job in the 13 jersey, why try and fix something that isn't broken? Auberson may be a cheap utility but he was in the top 17 all year round wasn't he? Why would he not be there next year and be likely starting since Jackson Hastings will take the utility spot.


You say they don't use three middle forwards and then you mention Nu'uausala who, under Trent Robinson, has never worn any jersey number other than 13, 14 or 15.

They often use a prop in the 13 jersey. FPN is a case in point.



If they've re-signed him until 2017 they will make room for him. If not next year then definitely the two years after. He's not going anywhere.

Yes FPN has worn the 13 jersey under Robinson, but how often was that? He was mostly used as a bench forward and also FPN is not a specialist prop.


You're kidding. Galloway is a forward leader at their club and has played almost 200 first grade games and he only just turned 29. Lodge is a teenager with four NRL appearances under his belt.

I'm sure Lodge will play more NRL than NSW Cup next year but it won't be Galloway missing out.

Lodge was in the NSW U20's and Australia U20's last year. Alongside players like David klemmer, who now played City vs Country and has established himself in the top 17 at the Dogs. He also played alongside Junior Paulo who has established himself as the top frontrower at the Eels. Why should Matt Lodge be wanting any less then that?

Kane Evans was in the NSW and Australia U20's 2 years ago, before Paulo and alongside Klemmer yet he's older then both and can't get a spot in the 17 at his club. Is that any good for his development?
 

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Did you read any of the posts above? Yes, it is true that you can't intentionally propel the ball forward with your hands (that's either an intentional knock-on or fwd pass), and there is an explicit rule that prohibits intentionally 'heading' the ball forward. But, there is no rule that says that you cannot deliberately propel the ball fwd with anything but your hands. That is just a (slightly inaccurate) generalisation that people have made based on a set of rules. There's nothing in the rules that prevents a player, for instance, intentionally knocking the ball forward with their chest. This is neither a knock on, intentional knock on, forward pass or intentional forward pass. Nobody does it (other than to control a ball when receiving a kick) because there's no conceivable advantage in doing so.


Apparently, Dally Messenger used to deliberately throw the ball forward over the heads of oncoming defenders and then regather and continue on his way (because they couldn't tackle him without the ball). They brought in the rule because of him.
 

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Penalise what? Here are the rules:

"SECTION 10
KNOCK-ON AND FORWARD PASS
Deliberate 1. A player shall be penalised if he deliberately knocks on or passes forward.
Accidental 2. If, after knocking-on accidentally, the player knocking-on regains or kicks the ball before it
touches the ground, a goal post, cross bar or an opponent, then play shall be allowed to proceed.
Otherwise play shall stop and a scrum shall be formed except after the fifth play-the-ball.
Charge-down 3. To charge-down a kick is permissible and is not a knock-on.
Heading the ball 4. It is illegal to head the ball in a forward direction."

and the relevant definition of terms:
"KNOCK-ON means to knock the ball towards the opponents’ dead
ball line with hand or arm, while playing at the ball."

Both from:

http://www.nrl.com/portals/nrl/RadEditor/Documents/NRL%20Rules%20book%202013FINAL.pdf

I'd wager that a deliberate knock forward and regather would be construed as a deliberate forward pass, and thus penalised.

Can you imagine the outrage if someone scored off a play like that in the NRL? The refs would get crucified - even more so than usual.
 
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I'd wager that a deliberate knock forward and regather would be construed as a deliberate forward pass, and thus penalised.

Can you imagine the outrage if someone scored off a play like that in the NRL? The refs would get crucified - even more so than usual.

But knock forward off what part of the body? Maybe we are thinking about different events / plays?

Players already deliberately knock the ball forward off their torso when receiving kicks, and this is both within the rules and accepted practice. I can't really imagine how you would construct a play that would involve deliberately knocking the ball fwd off you chest in order to get the ball through the defensive line.....there are just easier ways to do it.
 

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Interesting tweet from the club. After talking about Ben Smith's retirement, they tweeted about the merkins who aren't retiring but won't be with us next year: Moimoi, Tonga, Sio and Tanginoa. Nothing about Paulo or Kelly or any of the guys outside the top 25.
 

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But knock forward off what part of the body? Maybe we are thinking about different events / plays?

Players already deliberately knock the ball forward off their torso when receiving kicks, and this is both within the rules and accepted practice. I can't really imagine how you would construct a play that would involve deliberately knocking the ball fwd off you chest in order to get the ball through the defensive line.....there are just easier ways to do it.

Yep - I think I misconstrued your point.

I was talking about somebody knocking a bouncing ball deliberately forward and then regathering it for an advantage.

Rugby league can be a confusing game at times!
 
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But knock forward off what part of the body? Maybe we are thinking about different events / plays?

Players already deliberately knock the ball forward off their torso when receiving kicks, and this is both within the rules and accepted practice. I can't really imagine how you would construct a play that would involve deliberately knocking the ball fwd off you chest in order to get the ball through the defensive line.....there are just easier ways to do it.

I wonder if throwing a cannonball into a players chest a few metres out from the tryline could be practised as a kind of 'Hail Mary' play. It would certainly take the opposition by surprise and with a couple of support runners might be more effective than your average play.
 

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Both Leuluai and Meehan are upcoming stars. Meehan especially who was part of the Junior Kangaroos last year. Why would they not be pushing for spots in the 17?

Because there are far better and more experienced players in the 17 ahead of them - including Kane Evans.

Junior Kangaroos means f**k all. It just means a player is better than most 20 year olds. Plenty of Junior Kangaroos don't turn out to be first graders. Some never play a single NRL game. Wenty's own Ben Jones was a Junior Kangaroos captain in 2010.

They pick a Junior Kangaroos team every year and most of the 17 are brand new names. Far more impressive is a player who has played half a season for a club with a strong roster. Like Kane Evans this year.

Leuluai can also play in the backrow.
I know and I said he can also play in the front row to show that he's not just competing with the Roosters' edge forwards for a spot.

Guerra has done a fine job in the 13 jersey, why try and fix something that isn't broken?
Because SBW is leaving, freeing up a spot at edge forward, which is a more important position than lock. The only reason Guerra has been playing in the middle is because Cordner and Williams had the edge forward spots sewn up. Whenever either of them was out this year (or returning from injury) Trent Robinson picked Aidan Guerra in the second row. Aubusson played three games there at the start of the year with Guerra on the bench, and in round ten Aubusson played edge forward with Guerra at lock, but that was due to injury. By mid season Guerra was third choice edge forward (behind Williams and Cordner) and next year he'll be starting with Cordner.

Auberson may be a cheap utility but he was in the top 17 all year round wasn't he? Why would he not be there next year and be likely starting since Jackson Hastings will take the utility spot.
There's no 'utility spot'. There are utility players who start somewhere in your seventeen and there's no reason you can't have two of them. Aubusson plays centre, edge forward and hooker, just like Jamie Buhrer. He'll keep his spot in the seventeen.

Yes FPN has worn the 13 jersey under Robinson, but how often was that?
Sixteen of 23 games last year plus 16 of 26 this year. So, most of the time.

He was mostly used as a bench forward and also FPN is not a specialist prop.
Neither is Dave Tyrell, but from round five this year he started every game in the 8 or 10 jersey, allowing Souths to bring Tom Burgess off the bench.

So 'specialist prop' is meaningless in the sense that every team uses three middle forwards, but at any one time only one of them might be a genuine 'specialist prop'.

Lodge was in the NSW U20's and Australia U20's last year.
Big f**king deal. Junior Paulo is twice the player Lodge is and he was overlooked for Junior Origin last year. Junior rep teams are mostly pretty meaningless. Far more important is NRL experience, especially at a young age.

I agree Lodge will become a first grader but he's got a long way to go before he unseats Keith Galloway.

Alongside players like David klemmer, who now played City vs Country and has established himself in the top 17 at the Dogs. He also played alongside Junior Paulo who has established himself as the top frontrower at the Eels. Why should Matt Lodge be wanting any less then that?
What he wants and what he ends up getting are two different things. But if he does force his way into the Tigers' top 17 it won't be at the expense of Galloway, Woods or Blair - these guys are established.

Kane Evans was in the NSW and Australia U20's 2 years ago, before Paulo and alongside Klemmer yet he's older then both and can't get a spot in the 17 at his club. Is that any good for his development?
The reason is he's not strong enough for first grade. The gym will fix that, not getting smashed in first grade every week. When Evans is ready he will join the Roosters' top 17, and with Casty and SBW gone (and Guerra moving to the edge) that could happen as early as next year. He just needs a big off season, and I bet both he and the Chooks are happy they haven't had to rush him.

If the Chooks didn't intend for Evans to become a first grader they wouldn't have signed him for the next three years.
 
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I wonder if throwing a cannonball into a players chest a few metres out from the tryline could be practised as a kind of 'Hail Mary' play. It would certainly take the opposition by surprise and with a couple of support runners might be more effective than your average play.

There'd be almost no chance of it paying off, even less then a 'Hail Mary'. When you're that close to the line defenders are much closer, so for the ball to not bounce into an opposing player (which would then make it a knock on?) you'd need to have enough space, that it would be far more worth it to just run through that space.
 
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I wonder if throwing a cannonball into a players chest a few metres out from the tryline could be practised as a kind of 'Hail Mary' play. It would certainly take the opposition by surprise and with a couple of support runners might be more effective than your average play.

Might just be easier to kick the ball.

Unlike the NFL, there are no rules preventing you from picking a 'little person' in your team and throwing them over the defensive line. But I suspect it wouldn't take long for such a rule to be introduced.
 

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Might just be easier to kick the ball.

Unlike the NFL, there are no rules preventing you from picking a 'little person' in your team and throwing them over the defensive line. But I suspect it wouldn't take long for such a rule to be introduced.

How good would it have been watching Fui chuck sandow over the try line to score
 

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Did we actually end up signing Beau Henry?

I only just realized he was NYC player of the year in 2009. How did I miss that? For what it is worth, NYC player of the year has tended to kick on to be a useful NRL player.

2008 Ben Hunt
2009 Beau Henry
2010 Tariq Sims
2011 Jack De Belin
2012 David Klemmer
2013 Bryce Cartwright

Surely Beau Henry couldn't be worse than Luke Kelly (who, funnily enough, was man of the match in the 2009 NYC grand final).
 
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