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[Gronk]

i can't think of any reason why we go no good at ANZ

the field is the same dimensions as Pirtek

i think it's just a statistical anomaly

Not so. Academics have actually spent time on this. Home ground advantage is real and we surrender that advantage a few times a year.

http://freakonomics.com/2011/12/18/...advantageous-is-home-field-advantage-and-why/

 

[oldmancraigy]

Not so. Academics have actually spent time on this. Home ground advantage is real and we surrender that advantage a few times a year.

http://freakonomics.com/2011/12/18/...advantageous-is-home-field-advantage-and-why/

Yes Gronk, their contention (if I recall correctly) is the home ground advantage plays itself out through human factors in the referee. When the home crowd boos, then the referee blows his whistle.

Check the crowd figures, see who has the biggest support base at ANZ, and tell me again why it isn't our 'home ground'. It matters not what pitch it is played on, it matters how loudly the crowd scream for a penalty.

Again, check our record before the 'crap' years, we were dominant at ANZ. We won a game there last year; we dominated the Tigers - but gave them 2 free tries to lose the game; and lost a nail-biter there to the Dogs.

We aren't surrendering home ground - in fact teams are surrendering it to us when we play there (we get on the referees back and bay for a penalty).

 

[oldmancraigy]

How is a ground we play Home Games at twice a year statistically more of Parra's home ground than the people who play up to 10-12 home games per year there?

See my post above.

Unless you think home ground advantage is the familiarity the players have with a particular pitch? In which case, we'd be mad not to play ALL our games at ANZ. If it was about familiarity, once familiar, we would win all our games there (or most) like we do at Pirtek, and therefore be playing some 14-16 home games per season, and have home ground advantage all through the semi finals.

 

[lafai]

Gaining RTS but losing Tomkins means there would be diddily squat in the way of change in their cap and thus no pressure to release anyone but one player I wouldn't mind pinching from the Warriors is Tui Lolohea.

Fisiiahi or Tui would be better fullbacks than Floppa.

 

[Gronk]

Yes Gronk, their contention (if I recall correctly) is the home ground advantage plays itself out through human factors in the referee. When the home crowd boos, then the referee blows his whistle.

Check the crowd figures, see who has the biggest support base at ANZ, and tell me again why it isn't our 'home ground'. It matters not what pitch it is played on, it matters how loudly the crowd scream for a penalty.

Again, check our record before the 'crap' years, we were dominant at ANZ. We won a game there last year; we dominated the Tigers - but gave them 2 free tries to lose the game; and lost a nail-biter there to the Dogs.

We aren't surrendering home ground - in fact teams are surrendering it to us when we play there (we get on the referees back and bay for a penalty).

You forgot to factor in their findings that player familiarity with the stadium yields a better performance.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Then we need to get more familiar with ANZ Stadium, not less. Since we play 'away' games there as well as finals.

Probably why Souths and Canterbury are so strong, especially in the finals.

 

[oldmancraigy]

You forgot to factor in their findings that player familiarity with the stadium yields a better performance.

I'm pretty sure they say that is NOT the case don't they?

And even if it was, then surely Pou's advice would be the way to go? Play all games there, get familiar, win comps.

 

[Chipmunk]

Yes Gronk, their contention (if I recall correctly) is the home ground advantage plays itself out through human factors in the referee. When the home crowd boos, then the referee blows his whistle.

Check the crowd figures, see who has the biggest support base at ANZ, and tell me again why it isn't our 'home ground'. It matters not what pitch it is played on, it matters how loudly the crowd scream for a penalty.

Again, check our record before the 'crap' years, we were dominant at ANZ. We won a game there last year; we dominated the Tigers - but gave them 2 free tries to lose the game; and lost a nail-biter there to the Dogs.

We aren't surrendering home ground - in fact teams are surrendering it to us when we play there (we get on the referees back and bay for a penalty).

I'm sure that the Tigers, Bulldogs and Souths would rather be playing us at one of their Home Grounds at ANZ than at Pirtek.

I'd argue that 15,000 Parra fans to 4,000 fans at Pirtek gives us a better advantage than 25,000 Parra fans to 15,000 Opposition fans at ANZ.

See my post above.

Unless you think home ground advantage is the familiarity the players have with a particular pitch? In which case, we'd be mad not to play ALL our games at ANZ. If it was about familiarity, once familiar, we would win all our games there (or most) like we do at Pirtek, and therefore be playing some 14-16 home games per season, and have home ground advantage all through the semi finals.

You've obviously confused what I am saying is something to neccessarily to do with something called "Home Ground advantage".

My argument is our statistical performances at Pirtek against our statistical performances not at Pirtek in general. The fact Pirtek is also our home ground, is just coincidental to the argument I am trying to make.

Whilst we continue to play only 9 games at Pirtek per season and statistically lose more than 70% of the matches not at Pirtek, we will continue to struggle to make the Top 8.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Then we need to get more familiar with ANZ Stadium, not less. Since we play 'away' games there as well as finals.

Probably why Souths and Canterbury are so strong, especially in the finals.

I think Souths and Canterbury are traditionally weak in the finals (based on results from the last 20ish years).

Dogs had a reputation as being 'finals specialists' because they had that one fairy tale run back in 1998. However, they tended to choke out in straight sets most years around there....

Weren't Souths 2 wins and 4 losses in finals footy at ANZ before last year?

 

[Chipmunk]

Then we need to get more familiar with ANZ Stadium, not less. Since we play 'away' games there as well as finals.

Probably why Souths and Canterbury are so strong, especially in the finals.

You have got to win enough games to make a final in the first place before it becomes a factor. In a close competition like the NRL, any advantage you get at a particular venue you should be exploited to the fullest.

 

[Gronk]

Then we need to get more familiar with ANZ Stadium, not less. Since we play 'away' games there as well as finals.

Probably why Souths and Canterbury are so strong, especially in the finals.

Thanks Captain Obvious.

 

[Gronk]

Dean Ritchie ‏@BulldogRitchie 19s19 seconds ago
New Zealand Warriors to announce within minutes the signing of @sydneyroosters star @Tuivasasheck to a three-year deal.

 

[Rhyno]

Roosters to replace RTS with Hayne

 

[Gronk]

No they have Fergy.

 

[Chipmunk]

Roosters to replace RTS with Hayne

If they didn't have the money in their already flimsy salary cap to keep RTS, I doubt they'd have the money available to buy The Plane.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

RTS was rumoured to be offered $800k per year by the Warriors, while a pretty decent player he aren't at the elite level yet. Makes Foran's rumoured contract seem pretty decent.

 

[Gronk]

RTS is better than Hayne same age IMHO.

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[Chipmunk]

RTS is better than Hayne same age IMHO.

Yeah, he's a fair player.

 

[Forty20]

RTS is better than Hayne same age IMHO.

Big call.

Hayne won his first Dally M at the age of the 21. Tuivasa-Sheck turns 22 this year.

 

[oldmancraigy]

My argument is our statistical performances at Pirtek against our statistical performances not at Pirtek in general. The fact Pirtek is also our home ground, is just coincidental to the argument I am trying to make.

Whilst we continue to play only 9 games at Pirtek per season and statistically lose more than 70% of the matches not at Pirtek, we will continue to struggle to make the Top 8.

If we play 12 games at Pirtek, and lose 70% of the matches not at Pirtek, we are going to struggle to make the 8.

Our winning % at Pirtek over the last 5 years is just 48%. We could play every single game at the ground and still not make the 8 based on those statistics.

Yes, we have won 9 of our last 11 there, but it doesn't mean we will win 9 of our next 11 there. Yes, home ground advantage is real, yes, we have it at ANZ as compared to anyone else who plays there (based on average home crowd size).

My point: getting angry at some mythical hoodoo is not the answer. Abandoning the ground where finals footy is played because 'we can't win there' is not the answer. Who cares about winning 48% of our games anywhere? Give me 70% everywhere please.