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Noise

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I would also like to hear people's thoughts on polynesian coaches in the NRL.....
 

TheRam

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My thought is, that if what you are really satin is that we don't have enough football smarts, why don't you say that instead of making a sweeping, illogical, offensive generalisation which focuses on race?

And also that instantly criticising anyone who might disagree with you as an "insecure political correct" is just a rhetorical trick that doesn't support your argument in any way.



Thanks mate.
 
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My thought is, that if what you are really satin is that we don't have enough football smarts, why don't you say that instead of making a sweeping, illogical, offensive generalisation which focuses on race?

And also that instantly criticising anyone who might disagree with you as an "insecure political correct" is just a rhetorical trick that doesn't support your argument in any way.

He's not being offensive.... He just saying that islanders are more suited to particular positions. I agree with him. Fui and Kelepi are what they are battering rams who are great at gaining great yards for us.
The majority of under 20's are islanders except for
The halves. Why is that so?
 

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And minus souths all those players are in teams at the bottom of the table

Good point.

So therefore (using your logic), apart from Luke, those players are clearly to blame and could never be the key component in a side that makes a Grand Final :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
 

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Good point.

So therefore (using your logic), apart from Luke, those players are clearly to blame and could never be the key component in a side that makes a Grand Final :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

Yes, that's what i said :roll:
 

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Hayne & Benji are Pollys. Throw Isac Luke in with Shaun Johnson and it's a pretty fair spine.

Better than ours, just.

Thanks for strengthening my argument.


As talented as they all undoubtedly are all four have been criticized mercilessly over their entire careers and have struggled to stay focused for the entire match on so many occasions, it ain't funny.

Even Hayne who I believe is the most gifted player I have ever seen, drops in and out of matches all the time.

So all you need is 4 or 10 of those types of players in your team and you will always struggle for consistency.

But it is compounded even worse when they aren't gifted, but just big strong athletes who don't know the basics to start with.
 

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I think there is a new generation of Pollys in the likes of SBW, Will Hoppa, Izzy etc etc that will make you eat your words in the next few years Ramster. K Hunt is another lad who would still be shining in NRL if he didn't go to the darkside.
 

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Does it really matter in relation to backgrounds anymore? I think we are being too generalistic and a tad racist. Some of the best halves our game have produced have been aboriginal. Does that mean they are smarter footballers than Polynesians? Of course not. Means shit these days. As long as they wear the sacred blue and gold and play with pride I couldn't care if they were from Mars.


Parra!!!
 

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So let me get this straight, Poly's can't play football... except for Hayne, SBW, Benji, Folau, Luke, Fui, Kelepi, Fifita, and all the other good ones. Surprised there wasn't an "I'm not racist, but..." in there somewhere.
 

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Re. Rams post

Agree fully with everything you say and i made a quick comment about it in the cowboys game thread just after the game.

It's athletes vs footballers

Most polynesians are great athletes - big, strong, fast and powerful but lack footballing smarts to deliver on a consistent basis. Hence why we mostly see them in positions that require less thinking/decision making

The top 4 sides bar souths have no polynesians in the 1, 6, 7 or 9.

How many premiership sides have won a comp with any polynesians in the 1, 6, 7 or 9?

I can only think of Benji at the Tigers in 05. Any more?>

Also, the 3 of the bottom 4 sides this year all contain polynesian players in their spine (parra, tigers, warriors, is segyaro for penrith polynesian?)

What a load of racist shite.
 

oldmancraigy

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Yes, that's what i said :roll:

Well it kind of is what you're saying? You're suggesting that of the 4 players mentioned, only one is in a good team - therefore the others couldn't be (except they all have been, so fail logic)!

Anyway, I'm more interested in hearing more about the long list of successful Polynesian coaches that Parramatta has had??
 

oldmancraigy

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So let me get this straight, Poly's can't play football... except for Hayne, SBW, Benji, Folau, Luke, Fui, Kelepi, Fifita, and all the other good ones. Surprised there wasn't an "I'm not racist, but..." in there somewhere.

But surely they're only good players when playing in teams with white blokes?

Put them all in the same team and they'd be crap.
 

Gronk

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Michael Campbell and Tim Cahill called to say that you mob have NFI.
 

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Just on our players at the club and in the league generally. The more I watch the more I am coming to the opinion and I know that this has been brought up many times before, that we as a club in particular, have to many Islanders in our squad.

I know that this statement won't be popular with a lot of insecure politically corrects out there, but if you're one of these, please try to understand what I am saying here.

I'm talking about football savvy here, nothing else. I believe that many of these guys, due to their obvious power and size advantage while growing up, stunts them of the finer points of the game, like in particular, awareness and even simple things like running good lines.

Sure many of them show Harlem globe trotter skills at times, but generally that is against weak defense or they try it all the time in the most inappropriate times. I feel, again this is partly due to their nature, but also and probably mainly due to their power advantage while growing up which allowed them to get away with it growing up and has now become second nature.

But simple things like line running is beyond so many of them, which I suppose is fair enough when all your life growing up, who needed to develop that skill(and believe me it is a skill) when all you have to do is run over people all the time. A glaring example of this is players like Loko v Morgan.

Loko just has no idea about anything other than running hard and smashing his way through and that is fine to a point of course, but a player like Morgan needed to learn skills that would allow him to beat his opposition without the collision.

So now who is the better FOOTBALLER???

My point is, have we got to many islanders in our team, with their penchant to clock off easily when the game is tight and their high mistake rate?

I for one have come around to the realization that we have and on a greater scale the NRL itself is also suffering due to this, with so many terrible and dumb decisions out on the field over the last couple of years by so many footballers who are just not footballers, but powerfully bulldozers.

So many out there really don't have a clue, I mean they can't even draw and pass to an unmarked player and look at the amount of times backline movements have gone awry due to players passing way too deep and out to touch because their outside men had no idea how to simply set themselves up to capitalize by running onto the ball. Timing, line running, drawing, passing, catching, running to the weaker shoulder of a defender, instead of just running without thought, catching bombs, all these little things in our team, in particular, are woefully.

Sure I know all players no matter what their descent make errors, that is not the point, I am referring to the lack of football nous and fundamental skill level appropriate to the position a player takes in the team and at the moment I think we have gone over the tipping point of having way to many robots and not enough footballers in our team, which is also being reflected in the NRL.

What are others thoughts on this matter?

He's not being offensive.... He just saying that islanders are more suited to particular positions. I agree with him. Fui and Kelepi are what they are battering rams who are great at gaining great yards for us.
The majority of under 20's are islanders except for
The halves. Why is that so?

I don't think he was being offensive, but I do think bringing race into it is capable of causing offence.

And I don't think it adds anything to say we have too many islanders.

I agree with him that we don't have enough football smarts in our team.

However, given that Jarryd is pretty much the only one in the whole squad with ANY football smarts I can't blame it on race.

Matt Keating, Ben Smith, Ben Roberts, Chris Sandow are the four who spring to mind as being especially dumb at times... And there is only one islander in that group.
 
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