Rumours and Stuff

[Poupou Escobar]

Alvaro is fine. He does his job as a back up prop on the bench. If Frank and Terepo fit he is more then likely at Wenty.

Mannah who is no better then Alvaro is starting and our leader. Atleast Alvaro has upside. Only his 2nd real season in first grade and most props need 2 full seasons in first grade before adjust.

Mannah is not our leader, he is a co-captain. One of two captains and one of about eight members of the leadership group.

 

[Tommy Coco]

Not sure there really is opposing points of difference in the discussions here on the front row (perhaps varying levels of concern), Parra is definitely in the hunt for 1-2 more front rowers and likely higher caliber than we have.

There is rumour we are after one before June (30?) and then definitely one for next year. It simply is a matter of who they will be. It can't really be helped who we have this year, Mannah - Alvaro - Obrien - Ualesi - Twal, it is obvious the first two are the best of that bunch, so what is the arguement?

 

[Malabar Eel]

Mannah is not our leader, he is a co-captain. One of two captains and one of about eight members of the leadership group.

sounds familiar

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

There is rumour we are after one before June (30?) and then definitely one for next year. It simply is a matter of who they will be. It can't really be helped who we have this year, Mannah - Alvaro - Obrien - Ualesi - Twal, it is obvious the first two are the best of that bunch, so what is the arguement?

What is Matagi? Chopped liver?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The only dwarves I'm interested in watching are the ones rooting each other.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What is Matagi? Chopped liver?

Plus Brown and Dave

 

[RazorRam0n]

What is Matagi? Chopped liver?

to be fair he is flying under the radar for criticism atm.

 

[Noise]

Matagi has been very underwhelming besides the Manly and Tigers games.

 

[RazorRam0n]

Matagi has been very underwhelming besides the Manly and Tigers games.

he was 6 runs for 60 odd vs canberra. that's almost half what timmy did, and timmy continues to cop the brunt of it

 

[Tommy Coco]

What is Matagi? Chopped liver?

Like Razor said, not copping this Mannah Alvaro pissilling. Brown I didnt mention as he doesnt seem interchangable for that starting prop position (I know they're all the middle)

I am interested in though, in the front row starters for next year, Mannah looks less likely and Kane Evans doesn't strike me as a starting prop. Thoughts?

 

[Malabar Eel]

What is Matagi? Chopped liver?

Quiche.

 

[Djay]

The problem in most of those losses has been that we've been starved of possession - that comes down to our lack of kicking options. This will be resolved when Norman comes back.

The Dragons have lost three of their last four. And got belted by us.

What about not being able to stop the wave of possession, the Roosters were running riot in the first 15 mins and our defence simply was not good enough to stop it, defence is the basis of any good team and we currently are way off.

What do you mean our kicking options have been our issue? We have had Norman and still lost, even having him and Moses isn't gonna sort out our defensive issues, that's the problem not our bloody kick options.

They were unlucky vs Sharks and probably should have won, lost on Anzac day in golden point, and then beat the Warriors in NZ without there best players. Who that is good have we nearly beat? Got flogged by the Roosters, essentially got smashed by Canberra in Canberra, never looked like beating the Sharks and lost to the Warriors, how is any of that promising? We scored 38 points vs Dragons but they stuck with us until the last 10 mins or so we never killed the game.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It all comes back to our kicking game. The entire year we've only had one NRL standard kicker, and half the time he's been tackled on the 5th. That kind of disadvantage quickly translates to a lopsided contest in territory and possession. Your defence will always look bad when you're camped in your own half with no ball.

 

[Bazal]

And we didnt win, so going off what your saying Alvaro can make 70 tackles as long as he keeps tackling and we keep losing your happy cause he can defend?

I do not get your philosophy we are not winning, we are struggling and it is clearly not working.


Next idea please!

My philosophy?

I'm saying that it's nothing more than scapegoating to suggest that Alvaro is the reason we didn't win those games. He is not the problem. He is not even A problem.

Everyone is spanking themselves over Kane Evans being a 10m per run man....well Alvaro did that on Saturday. And made 30 tackles. And absolutely drilled Paulo and especially Boyd. He was one of the best opn the field. But total morons think he's costing us games somehow......

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Like Razor said, not copping this Mannah Alvaro pissilling. Brown I didnt mention as he doesnt seem interchangable for that starting prop position (I know they're all the middle)

I am interested in though, in the front row starters for next year, Mannah looks less likely and Kane Evans doesn't strike me as a starting prop. Thoughts?

My thoughts are that we need a big bopper to partner either Mannah or a Mannah-clone.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

to be fair he is flying under the radar for criticism atm.

I was just pointing out that he wasn't in the list.

He has averaged 95m per game.....same as Mannah, but played more minutes. I don't think any of them (other than Brown) are going that well.

 

[Bazal]

What about not being able to stop the wave of possession, the Roosters were running riot in the first 15 mins and our defence simply was not good enough to stop it, defence is the basis of any good team and we currently are way off.

What do you mean our kicking options have been our issue? We have had Norman and still lost, even having him and Moses isn't gonna sort out our defensive issues, that's the problem not our bloody kick options..

We could have defended better across the board, but we had one set in 13 minutes of footy. One single set. The game was over after 15 minutes regardless of scoreline, there was no way we were coming back from that level of possession against a genuine top 4 contender regardless of our pack. Why do you (and others) refuse to acknowledge that stat when you talk about how our forwards were supposedly the reason we lost the Roosters game?

You refuse to understand that one play kicker (who is not a very good long kicker anyway) is a huge concern. Norman is the obvious target for fifth tackle defenders and Guthbus can't kick anything other than a bomb.

The modern game is not just about which forward pack wins the battle as you seem to believe. That's actually a small part of winning. It's about possession and field position. If you do not have kicking options that can put the ball down the other end consistently, you do not win field position and you have a much harder time winning the game. You say our forwards are getting belted because of size or whatever. I disagree. Our forwards make enough metres, but our kicking game means that we start defending in the wrong field position without a line leading defender like IDG to give us line speed. But even if we are conceding a few too many metres as a result of line speed, conceding 45-50m from the opposing try line is much less of an issue than conceding the same from their 30. But people blame the pack, not the fact that our kickers can't bury the ball in their end.

 

[Djay]

We could have defended better across the board, but we had one set in 13 minutes of footy. One single set. The game was over after 15 minutes regardless of scoreline, there was no way we were coming back from that level of possession against a genuine top 4 contender regardless of our pack. Why do you (and others) refuse to acknowledge that stat when you talk about how our forwards were supposedly the reason we lost the Roosters game?

You refuse to understand that one play kicker (who is not a very good long kicker anyway) is a huge concern. Norman is the obvious target for fifth tackle defenders and Guthbus can't kick anything other than a bomb.

The modern game is not just about which forward pack wins the battle as you seem to believe. That's actually a small part of winning. It's about possession and field position. If you do not have kicking options that can put the ball down the other end consistently, you do not win field position and you have a much harder time winning the game. You say our forwards are getting belted because of size or whatever. I disagree. Our forwards make enough metres, but our kicking game means that we start defending in the wrong field position without a line leading defender like IDG to give us line speed. But even if we are conceding a few too many metres as a result of line speed, conceding 45-50m from the opposing try line is much less of an issue than conceding the same from their 30. But people blame the pack, not the fact that our kickers can't bury the ball in their end.

Stop making excuses for us mate, I watched the Roosters light it up on Sunday verse the Dogs at one stage scoring 3 sets in a row I think it was, and what was the score 24-16?

Point is they blew us away, I don't care about possession of your a good team reasons to roll over like that do not suffice. Getting embarrassed like that is inexcusable that's 2011 and 2013 type stuff.

If we were a good team we would have somehow stopped the flow of points and crawled somewhat back into the game.

No excuses wash for me about how we got dismantled.

We have no been in any game against any half decent team this year, Saturday was a flip of a coin apparently, i am sick of losing close ones when is this club gonna become winners ffs?

 

[Djay]

My philosophy?

I'm saying that it's nothing more than scapegoating to suggest that Alvaro is the reason we didn't win those games. He is not the problem. He is not even A problem.

Everyone is spanking themselves over Kane Evans being a 10m per run man....well Alvaro did that on Saturday. And made 30 tackles. And absolutely drilled Paulo and especially Boyd. He was one of the best opn the field. But total morons think he's costing us games somehow......

Alvaro isn't a problem but there is plenty better, in fact much better and if we wanna be serious he wouldn't touch our 17, and had we had no injuries he wouldn't be near the team.

I am not spanking anything over Evans i've said it plenty of times that his potential but he isn't gonna solve any issues, we are kidding ourselves if we thinks he is. We need much more then him.

Keep harping on about Alvaro and bashing Paulo and Boyd, we still lost, Paulo made 209 metres, come on mate.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Paulo made 200 metres but it took him 23 runs. He was rooted.