Rumours and Stuff

[Chipmunk]

Honestly the whole elite middle forward thing is a myth arising from a coincidence. You can win a premiership without a rep middle forward, you can't do it without a high quality spine. Some recent sides have just been lucky enough to have both.

Statistics will tell you otherwise.

Who was the last NRL Premier who didn't have at least one current NSW, Qld, NZ or England Rep middle forward at the time?

How many NRL Premiers this century didn't have one?

 

[Bazal]

Good comparison but from what I've seen Frizell plays more on the edge at the Dragons whereas Brown is purely middle.

Yes but he's been named at lock so it was the easy comparison. Also he doesn't usually run as wide as a true edge forward. Which is probably why he's named at lock for NSW.

 

[Bazal]

The problem with stats for forwards is it doesnt take into account how much energy the defender puts in to stop a guy like Jnr. Sure the defense meets him but the amount of energy being sapped trying to stop him from getting a high amount of meters can not be measured by a stat. Just as a big hit from a Josh Jackson cant be measured how much that takes out of the guy carting it up. One good hit can rattle a guy for half the game.

Yes they do. Guys who are hard to stop make more metres and have a high metres per run stat. That's why Klemmer and Paulo average over 150m, and that's how it's obvious your constant bleating about Terepo being a hard runner is wrong.

 

[Bazal]

Statistics will tell you otherwise.

Who was the last NRL Premier who didn't have a at least one current NSW, Qld, NZ or England Rep middle forward at the time?

How many NRL Premiers this century didn't have one?

How many NRL premiers didn't have a quality spine? Who was the last NRL premier without one?

FTR the answer to your question is 2011. Manly ran a front row of Joe Galuvao and Brent Kite. And in 2012 Melbourne won with a bloke who at the time had played one Test for NZ off the bench.

Both sides still had great spines though. So statistics would seem to suggest my assertion is more on the money than yours.

 

[Chipmunk]

How many NRL premiers didn't have a quality spine? Who was the last NRL premier without one?

FTR the answer to your question is 2011. Manly ran a front row of Joe Galuvao and Brent Kite. And in 2012 Melbourne won with a bloke who at the time had played one Test for NZ off the bench.

Both sides still had great spines though. So statistics would seem to suggest my assertion is more on the money than yours.

Watmough not part of the team?

That would be the same Brent Kite who played for NSW and former NZ player Joe Galavao or were different people?

You do also realise that we have neither a rep spine player or middle forward?

Has there been a Premier who hasnt had a rep middle forward AND a rep spine player?

 

[hindy111]

Its about the squad as a hole Bazal. What the Storm had was a once in a lifetime SPINE. The best hooker to play the game,one of the best fullbacks in history and the AUS halfback. This will never happen again. It only happened due to NRL wanting a team in Melbourne to be strong and a massive amount of rorting to keep the team together.
Manly may of had a soft front row but a great spine not counting Lyons - Matai and great second row with Stewart and Watmough. Tafua and Matai played like forwards.

 

[Bazal]

That would be the same Brent Kite who played for NSW and former NZ player Joe Galavao or were different people?

You do also realise that we have neither a rep spine player or middle forward?

Oh so now former rep players are good enough, even though you specifically stated current? What are you worried about then, we have two former NSW middle forwards, so no issue.

Moving the goalposts does you no favours.

And where did I say we had a rep spine?

 

[Noise]

How many NRL premiers didn't have a quality spine? Who was the last NRL premier without one?

FTR the answer to your question is 2011. Manly ran a front row of Joe Galuvao and Brent Kite. And in 2012 Melbourne won with a bloke who at the time had played one Test for NZ off the bench.

Both sides still had great spines though. So statistics would seem to suggest my assertion is more on the money than yours.

Um no. Chipmunk clearly said middle forwards. And Manly had a bloke named Anthony Watmough who was most certainly a rep player.

Stats suggest that a good spine and a rep quality middle forward are both necessary

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

West Tigers 2005 is the answer to the question.

 

[Djay]

How many NRL premiers didn't have a quality spine? Who was the last NRL premier without one?

FTR the answer to your question is 2011. Manly ran a front row of Joe Galuvao and Brent Kite. And in 2012 Melbourne won with a bloke who at the time had played one Test for NZ off the bench.

Both sides still had great spines though. So statistics would seem to suggest my assertion is more on the money than yours.

So if we find a good hooker does that mean Mannah and Alvaro can lead us to a premiership?

And let's forget about Manly's backrow then too hey.

 

[Bazal]

What the Storm had was a once in a lifetime SPINE. .

That's precisely my point ffs! A great spine wins competitions. The last few premiers were simply lucky to have both a quality spine and a rep forward (many of those rep forwards selected because of how good their side was going).

2010-Boyd, Soward, Hornby, Young
2011-Stewart, Foran, DCE, Ballin
2012-Slater, Widdop, Cronk. Smith
2013-Mini, Maloney, Pearce, Friend
2014-Inglis, Keary, Reynolds, Koroisau
2015-Coote, Morgan, Thurston, Granville
2016-Barba, Maloney, Townsend, Ennis

Every single one has at least one player in the top few in their position. Some of them are up their with the best players of the modern era. A bunch of quality forwards were lucky to play with guys like this who made them elite.

 

[Bazal]

Um no. Chipmunk clearly said middle forwards. And Manly had a bloke named Anthony Watmough who was most certainly a rep player.

Stats suggest that a good spine and a rep quality middle forward are both necessary

Watmough was a backrower in 2011. He only moved to lock when Glenn Stewart became less effective a few years ago as the role of a lock changed. At the time Stewart played as a ball playing middle forward.

Once again, moving the goalposts....

 

[Bazal]

So if we find a good hooker does that mean Mannah and Alvaro can lead us to a premiership?

And let's forget about Manly's backrow then too hey.

Did I say that?

The question was specifically related to middle forwards. Don't blame me if Chipmunk has blinkers on.

 

[Djay]

Watmough not part of the team?

That would be the same Brent Kite who played for NSW and former NZ player Joe Galavao or were different people?

You do also realise that we have neither a rep spine player or middle forward?

Has there been a Premier who hasnt had a rep middle forward AND a rep spine player?

We currently have zero rep players so that would suggest if we wanna win anything we should buy one, but apparently hard workers do the job?

Your 100% right by the way.

 

[Noise]

West Tigers 2005 is the answer to the question.

Dene Halatau played in the middle for the Tigers and was a NZ player from 2004-2009

 

[Djay]

Did I say that?

The question was specifically related to middle forwards. Don't blame me if Chipmunk has blinkers on.

Your saying rep quality middle forwards aren't necessary so great we have 2 average ones now we should be good once we get a hooker?

Or what your got an answer for that too?

Stop accepting mediocrity, we are a long way off and that is a position that needs to be addressed.

 

[Noise]

Watmough was a backrower in 2011. He only moved to lock when Glenn Stewart became less effective a few years ago as the role of a lock changed. At the time Stewart played as a ball playing middle forward.

Once again, moving the goalposts....

Still doesn't change your arguement, whether Choc or Glenn Stewart played in the middle that year there was still a rep middle forward in the team that won the premiership

 

[Bazal]

Your saying rep quality middle forwards aren't necessary so great we have 2 average ones now we should be good once we get a hooker?

Or what your got an answer for that too?

Stop accepting mediocrity, we are a long way off and that is a position that needs to be addressed.

Are you all there?

I said that a high quality spine is more important than a rep forward. In what universe does that equate to "Alvaro and Mannah will win us a premiership"?

 

[Bazal]

Still doesn't change your arguement, whether Choc or Glenn Stewart played in the middle that year there was still a rep middle forward in the team that won the premiership

Glenn Stewart played origin in 2011, yes, as a replacement in game three. But it doesn't change the fact that he was not a middle forward in the modern sense. He was more of an extra half. Same as we tried to use Sef Paulo, except he was shit.

In 2011, the "middle forwards" were the props. Glenn Stewart was not a prop, he was a floating ball playing forward. Therefore, Manly had no current rep middle forwards. Simples.

 

[phantom eel]

LolBaz.