Rumours and Stuff

[Noise]

Glenn Stewart played origin in 2011, yes, as a replacement in game three. But it doesn't change the fact that he was not a middle forward in the modern sense. He was more of an extra half. Same as we tried to use Sef Paulo, except he was shit.

In 2011, the "middle forwards" were the props. Glenn Stewart was not a prop, he was a floating ball playing forward. Therefore, Manly had no current rep middle forwards. Simples.

Actually Watmough was playing in the middle in 2011 with G Stewart on the right. Check the highlights (Skip to about the 3.00min mark if you can't be arse watching whole thing)

 

[Djay]

Are you all there?

I said that a high quality spine is more important than a rep forward. In what universe does that equate to "Alvaro and Mannah will win us a premiership"?

They go hand in hand majority of the time, even though the Dragons in 2010 didn't have the worlds greatest spine if we are honest.

Yes i've been here all day listening to all your philosophies.

The past couple years suggest that middle towards are nearly as important.

It equates to the bit where Kite and Galavao were supposedly average and won a comp, why can't we if we get a good hooker to finish off our spine and win one.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I said when fully fit this year, never mentioned next year otherwise don't you think Evans would be there?

Recruiting for this year is over. Why are we still speculating about our 2017 pack?

 

[Djay]

Recruiting for this year is over. Why are we still speculating about our 2017 pack?

Cause we haven't been fully fit for one game this year mate.

That okay with you?

 

[Chipmunk]

Watmough was a backrower in 2011. He only moved to lock when Glenn Stewart became less effective a few years ago as the role of a lock changed. At the time Stewart played as a ball playing middle forward.

Once again, moving the goalposts....

That's bullshit, Glenn Stewart was the right edge backrower wearing 13 and Watmough was the lock wearing 11 in Manly's 2011 GF Team. Just as Hindmarsh was the Lock wearing 11 at the back end of his career.

Here's is some vision of the 2011 GF. Stewart is playing like a right edge backrower and Watmough in the middle.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Its about the squad as a hole Bazal. What the Storm had was a once in a lifetime SPINE. The best hooker to play the game,one of the best fullbacks in history and the AUS halfback. This will never happen again. It only happened due to NRL wanting a team in Melbourne to be strong and a massive amount of rorting to keep the team together.
Manly may of had a soft front row but a great spine not counting Lyons - Matai and great second row with Stewart and Watmough. Tafua and Matai played like forwards.

So you agree you don't need a huge Origin class middle forward?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Watmough was a backrower in 2011. He only moved to lock when Glenn Stewart became less effective a few years ago as the role of a lock changed. At the time Stewart played as a ball playing middle forward.

Once again, moving the goalposts....

Stewart always (at least since his peak) played right edge forward. Warmough played on the left until Tony Williams emerged as a forward, which is when Watmough moved to the middle.

 

[Bazal]

The pattern they used in the grand final does not mirror the whole year, you realise? They played a tighter structure in the GF so that they could be more direct against the big Warriors pack. And it worked beautifully.

But they still got there without an elite front rower and with a hugely quality spine, regardless of how many times you change your criteria

 

[Noise]

I went back to the year 2000 and every NRL premiership winner had a middle forward who either played origin or a test for Australia/New Zealand

 

[Noise]

Stewart always (at least since his peak) played right edge forward. Warmough played on the left until Tony Williams emerged as a forward, which is when Watmough moved to the middle.

Yep, which is the year we are talking about when they won the premiership (2011)

 

[Bazal]

I went back to the year 2000 and every NRL premiership winner had a middle forward who either played origin or a test for Australia/New Zealand

Well if thats your criteria so do we.....two in fact

 

[Noise]

The pattern they used in the grand final does not mirror the whole year, you realise? They played a tighter structure in the GF so that they could be more direct against the big Warriors pack. And it worked beautifully.

But they still got there without an elite front rower and with a hugely quality spine, regardless of how many times you change your criteria

Watch this game. Watmough in the middle

 

[Noise]

Well if thats your criteria so do we.....two in fact

They all had current players rep middle forwards. Who do we have?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I went back to the year 2000 and every NRL premiership winner had a middle forward who either played origin or a test for Australia/New Zealand

In the year they won or just any time in their career? Would you agree a former (or future) rep player isn't the same as a current one?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yep, which is the year we are talking about when they won the premiership (2011)

I know. But was Watmough an Origin middle forward that year, or just later in his career?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well if thats your criteria so do we.....two in fact

And who knows how many future ones we have.

 

[Djay]

They all had current players rep middle forwards. Who do we have?

Oh but Brown might be one and Mannah was one does that work?

We have been "what ifing" for 30 years and won f**k all.

In short we have none and we need one, plain and simple.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

We should be set anyway. Mannah played State of Origin a few times.

 

[Noise]

In the year they won or just any time in their career? Would you agree a former (or future) rep player isn't the same as a current one?

Well the only year it wasn't current was 2001 who had Josh Perry who played NSW origin in 2003.

 

[phantom eel]

regardless of how many times you change your criteria