Rumours and Stuff

[Chipmunk]

One example never disproves a trend. Discard outliers.

It just means they have other advantages.

Still shows that particular statistic doesn't bring success.

 

[Chipmunk]

The possession table tends to mirror the competition table with one exception; the Storm are 15th with 48% (Newcastle last with 46%). The Cowboys are top with 54%, Sharks and Broncos with 52% and everyone else is between 49% and 51%

Hang on, the two worse teams on the possesion statistic are running first and last. So your own stat alone shows possesion statistics means f**k all.

 

[parra pete]

Here's one for you @parra pete

Talking to a bunch of blokes up the pub last night talking about Parra's best team, I mentioned Ken Thornett, the mayor.

Old fella: I used to play footy with him

Me: f**k off, Pull the other one

Him: I did

Me: Who did you play for (thinking an NRL team)

Him: Coonabarabran RLC, he played captain coach for 2 years 2 GFs and we won one late 60s.

He went on to tell me that the Mayor played lock for them, old mate played hooker in the days when scrums were actually competitive.

Me: How come he played lock ?

Him: He always said "I wanna be where the action is and keep an eye on you fellas."

I never knew that about the Mayor, damn good story, many beers and stories were exchanged all night.

I was at the Group 14 Grand Final in Coolah in 1969 when Ken played lock for Coonabarabran against Baradine and lost the ONLY game of the season. Baradine was coached by a mate of mine Ron Tyack who hailed from Tullibigeal, and I had played with him in Riverina selection trials at Temora in 1967..
I caught up with Ronny at Lake Cargelligo a couple of years ago, and reminded him about the GF at Coolah..One of the things that stick out in my mind regarding that game was Baradine prop Ken Campbell playing the second half of the game with a broken jaw, and sipping on a can at the post match presso...Kenny came back to Parra for one more year in 1970....Gees he was GREAT.
Ron Tyack passed away just a couple of months after I caught up with him..Terrific player, great bloke, from a real football area. He was a former team mate of Barry Glasgow - the man who forced Rugby League to drop the value of field goal from 2 to 1 points. Barry (or Barney) was known as the Two point steal from Tullibigeal...and played for Wests and North Sydney (Noel Kelly was his biggest fan)..Thanks for the note Twizzle...appreciate it.. (My late brother Paul played with Coonabarabran in the early - mid sixties, ask your mate does he remember him)..

 

[Chipmunk]

I was at the Group 14 Grand Final in Coolah in 1969 when Ken played lock for Coonabarabran against Baradine and lost the ONLY game of the season. Baradine was coached by a mate of mine Ron Tyack who hailed from Tullibigeal, and I had played with him in Riverina selection trials at Temora in 1967..
I caught up with Ronny at Lake Cargelligo a couple of years ago, and reminded him about the GF at Coolah..One of the things that stick out in my mind regarding that game was Baradine prop Ken Campbell playing the second half of the game with a broken jaw, and sipping on a can at the post match presso...Kenny came back to Parra for one more year in 1970....Gees he was GREAT.
Ron Tyack passed away just a couple of months after I caught up with him..Terrific player, great bloke, from a real football area. He was a former team mate of Barry Glasgow - the man who forced Rugby League to drop the value of field goal from 2 to 1 points. Barry (or Barney) was known as the Two point steal from Tullibigeal...and played for Wests and North Sydney (Noel Kelly was his biggest fan)..Thanks for the note Twizzle...appreciate it.. (My late brother Paul played with Coonabarabran in the early - mid sixties, ask your mate does he remember him)..

Nice story Pete.

Was your brother known as Parra Paul?

Don't tell me you have a sister Mary?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If I'm not mistaken Lichaa runs second on most total metres from dummy half runs.

So wouldn't one of the few teams that tactically attacks away from the middle (whether this tactic is right or not) have their 9 automatically have less LBAs, TAs, etc.than other teams?

They would, but just as in the case of Kaysa Pritchard (who runs less than King, but for more metres, tackle breaks and linebreaks) you would expect to at least see some LBAs and TAs (he has 3 and 2, respectively, in 15 games). King has zero of either. Obviously four games is a small sample, but his lack of tackle breaks and metres means he doesn't threaten the defence. That makes it hard to draw defenders away from your supports.

But with his kicking game I expect he will get a TA or two by the end of the season.

 

[Forty20]

So I guess this is my weekly contribution of 'stuff' in the Rumours and Stuff thread. Was joking today to someone about one of the classic Simpsons references in relation to Gutherson and it went from there. Only slightly homoerotic.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Still shows that particular statistic doesn't bring success.

There is an obvious correlation. Teams with more possession tend to win more and teams with less possession tend to win less.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Hang on, the two worse teams on the possesion statistic are running first and last. So your own stat alone shows possesion statistics means f**k all.

Is that what you think it shows? The data must be looked at as a whole, not just two cherry picked examples. Are you really that thick? I'm astounded right now.

The possession table tends to mirror the competition table

I even explained it for you. There is a definite trend. No outlier disproves that.

 

[Chipmunk]

There is an obvious correlation. Teams with more possession tend to win more and teams with less possession tend to win less.

Yet your own statistic you provided doesn't show this, as the Storm are 15th on possesion yet lead the comp. Where are the Roosters on that list?

How about you compare 1 to 16 on the ladder and 1 to 16 on possession and you might win the argument, but we shall see.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yet your own statistic you provided doesn't show this, as the Storm are 15th on possesion yet lead the comp. Where are the Roosters on that list?

How about you compare 1 to 16 on the ladder and 1 to 16 on possession and you might win the argument.

What part of 'tend to' don't you understand? And I've already won the argument. If you don't accept the evidence I've provided there's no point wasting more time. I suspect you're just trolling now. You couldn't be this stupid.

 

[Chipmunk]

Is that what you think it shows? The data must be looked at as a whole, not just two cherry picked examples. Are you really that thick? I'm astounded right now.

I even explained it for you. There is a definite trend. No outlier disproves that.

So the team running 5th is leading the possesion, when you show possession stats from 1 to 16 then we can see where things are at.

 

[Chipmunk]

So the team running 5th is leading the possesion, when you show possession stats from 1 to 16 then we can see where things are at.

A team not in the Top 4 is on top of the possesion stats... and the team leading the comp is running 15th and you appear to refuse to provide the stat of the team running second because it will probably put holes in your argument.

Yeah good argument

 

[Poupou Escobar]

A team not in the Top 4 is on top of the possesion stats... and the team leading the comp is running 15th and you appear to refuse to provide the stat of the team running second because it will probably put holes in your argument.

Yeah good argument

You could find it yourself and disprove my argument. I told you the stats show a correlation. But if you're too useless to find them here they are:

1. Storm 48%
2. Roosters 50%
3. Sharks 52%
4, Broncos 52%
5. Cowboys 54%
6. Eels 50%
7. Sea Eagles 50%
8. Dragons 51%
9. Panthers 51%
10. Raiders 49%
11. Warriors 50%
12. Titans 50%
13. Bulldogs 50%
14. Rabbitohs 49%
15. Tigers 49%
16. Knights 46%

Though I suspect you won't be able to make heads or tails of the correlation. I dare say you will accept nothing less than every team with 51% possession sitting higher on the ladder than those with 50% possession, who are above the ones with 49% and so on.

Because you're a f**king twit.

 

[Chipmunk]

You could find it yourself and disprove my argument. I told you the stats show a correlation. But if you're too useless to find them here they are:

1. Storm 48%
2. Roosters 50%
3. Sharks 52%
4, Broncos 52%
5. Cowboys 54%
6. Eels 50%
7. Sea Eagles 50%
8. Dragons 51%
9. Panthers 51%
10. Raiders 49%
11. Warriors 50%
12. Titans 50%
13. Bulldogs 50%
14. Rabbitohs 49%
15. Tigers 49%
16. Knights 46%

Though I suspect you won't be able to make heads or tails of the correlation. I dare say you will accept nothing less than every team with 51% possession sitting higher on the ladder than those with 50% possession, who are above the ones with 49% and so on.

Because you're a f**king twit.

So your own statistics across a season shows that possesion has f**k all to do with success. 4 of the Top 8 across a season have have had 50% of possesion or less and so have 4 of the bottom 8. Surely this proves that possession isn't a great indicator in determining success

Again...the team whos won the most games is 15th on the possession list..the team running second on the ladder has the same amount of possession as the teams running 10th, 11th and 12th. The teams who are 14th and 15th have had more possession than the team on top of the ladder.

How again does this ladder correlate with possession stats?

 

[EelsFan05]

That says to me possession is nearly 50/50 across the league. Games are won or lost because of a combination of reasons not just on possesion alone.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So your own statistics across a season shows that possesion has f**k all to do with success.

It shows a definite correlation.

4 of the Top 8 across a season have have had 50% of possesion or less and so have 4 of the bottom 8. Surely this proves that possession isn't a great indicator in determining success

It's obviously not a "great" indicator but I never said it was. I said there would be a trend, and when I looked the stats confirmed it.

Again...the team whos won the most games is 15th on the possession list..the team running second on the ladder has the same amount of possession as the teams running 10th, 11th and 12th. The teams who are 14th and 15th have had more possession than the team on top of the ladder.

How again does this ladder correlate with possession stats?

Well for example, the top eight teams average 50.875% possession while the bottom eight average 49.25%. The top four (skewed by the outlier) average 52% while the bottom four average 48.5% possession.

There is a definite correlation.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

That says to me possession is nearly 50/50 across the league. Games are won or lost because of a combination of reasons not just on possesion alone.

lol it must be f**ken genius day around here

 

[EelsFan05]

lol it must be f**ken genius day around here

Funny, I've been able to sum up in two sentences what you've been unable to communicate in the last three pages of the thread. Back in your hole you dribbling f**ken twat.

 

[Chipmunk]

It shows a definite correlation.

It's obviously not a "great" indicator but I never said it was. I said there would be a trend, and when I looked the stats confirmed it.

Well for example, the top eight teams average 50.875% possession while the bottom eight average 49.25%. The top four (skewed by the outlier) average 52% while the bottom four average 48.5% possession.

There is a definite correlation.

You'll have to show me some additional evidence to prove that the top 4 have had 52% of possesion, because those original stats on the ladder don't demonstrate that.

I also think a better stat to show possesion would be per game rather than across the season, but I certainly won't be arsed looking for those stats.

Bed time

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You'll have to show me some additional evidence to prove that the top 4 have had 52% of possesion, because those original stats on the ladder don't demonstrate that.

No you're right, it was 50.5% but as I said, it was skewed by the outlier. The point is that the top eight teams had more possession than the bottom eight. Breaking it into groups of four teams is less useful because one outlier has more influence on a smaller group's averages.

I also think a better stat to show possesion would be per game rather than across the season, but I certainly won't be arsed looking for those stats.

Stats across the season show the trend better because they aggregate a lot more data. It is a bigger sample.