Rumours and Stuff

[Noise]

Using what metric merkin?

Obviously not the missed tackle metric

 

[Poupou Escobar]

1 error in f**k all minutes. He was a waste of two interchanges and added absolutely nothing in attack or defence. Massive mistake putting him in the side

I thought he lifted our intensity in defence. Plus he gave King a rest, and the merkin needed it. It was the first time since we beat the Dogs six weeks ago that he missed fewer than five tackles.

 

[Noise]

I thought he lifted our intensity in defence. Plus he gave King a rest, and the merkin needed it. It was the first time since we beat the Dogs six weeks ago that he missed fewer than five tackles.

I don't have the stats in front of me but did Kaysa miss any tackles? I know he made an error with a forward pass

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Using what metric merkin?

Tackles per minute merkin. This is also a strong indicator of line speed.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Obviously not the missed tackle metric

He doesn't miss many unless he has to play long minutes.

 

[Happy MEel]

Kritchard is a better defender than Gower, especially in limited minutes. Plus King was obviously a risk of his nerve damage flaring up.

Gower - 37.71 minutes per game with a missed tackle rate per game of 0.71 (with only 5 missed tackles for the season)

Kaysa - 62.9 minutes per game with a missed tackle rate per game of 3.2 (with 48 missed tackles for the season).

This also doesn't take into consideration stats that aren't recorded such as number of other players involved per tackle. Kaysa is a midget requiring more defenders to make an effective tackle than someone like Gower. This makes us short out wide.

Geez Pou, if you are in fact an analyst, I hope your not still working in the defence force because I would hold grieve fears for our service men and women.

 

[Happy MEel]

Tackles per minute merkin. This is also a strong indicator of line speed.

So you care little for tackle effectiveness. Effort alone is enough?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So you care little for tackle effectiveness. Effort alone is enough?

Effort is worth more than just about anything in defence. Sure size, technique, agility and speed are important but Kritchard has all those things but one.

But in the middle the key is to get number into the tackle, and Kritchard does this better than anyone other than Alvaro. And he is the quickest off the line.

You can deny it and throw around all the stats you want but I think it's obvious why Arthur's loves him. Kaysa Pritchard is a talent.

 

[hineyrulz]

Using what metric merkin?

That BA picked him so Pou has to find a positive reason to have him in the side. BA f**ked up plain and simple.

 

[eel01s]

I can't believe some of the comments here re: the 17 picked last night. IMO our forwards held their own, we simply made far too many mistakes. Norman and Moses I thought had very little impact. Compare that to Morgan's kicking game, continually giving them good field position.

 

[Bazal]

I can't believe some of the comments here re: the 17 picked last night. IMO our forwards held their own, we simply made far too many mistakes. Norman and Moses I thought had very little impact. Compare that to Morgan's kicking game, continually giving them good field position.

Correct. But the narrative all year has been "big fat forwards win games" so it's not a shock.

I do think picking Kaysa was a mistake, but it wasn't the reason we lost. Our execution sucked and the pressure got to a bunch of blokes playing their first elimination final

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Morgan's kicking game was helped by having plenty of time to kick the ball in the second half. That happened because their go forward improved as we got worn down. On the other side of the ball our own go forward trailed off which put pressure on our kicking game.

But ultimately lack of composure got us. The Asiata try was the turning point, though if we were more experienced/composed it didn't need to be.

Anyway we'll be better for the run. The following blokes played in their first finals series this year:

Radradra
Takairangi
Moses
Alvaro
King
Ma'u
Moeroa
Brown
Edwards
Terepo
Kritchard

Meanwhile, the Storm team last week had more premiership winners (five) than finals debutantes (four). The Cowboys team last night had a dozen premiership winners and only two finals debutantes.

 

[rugby league fan]

Morgan's kicking game was helped by having plenty of time to kick the ball in the second half. That happened because their go forward improved as we got worn down. On the other side of the ball our own go forward trailed off which put pressure on our kicking game.

But ultimately lack of composure got us. The Asiata try was the turning point, though if we were more experienced/composed it didn't need to be.

Anyway we'll be better for the run. The following blokes played in their first finals series this year:

Radradra
Takairangi
Moses
Alvaro
King
Ma'u
Moeroa
Brown
Edwards
Terepo
Kritchard

Meanwhile, the Storm team last week had more premiership winners (five) than finals debutantes (four). The Cowboys team last night had a dozen premiership winners and only two finals debutantes.

With out any disrespect, You just contradicted yourself.!

That happened because their go forward improved as we got worn down.
On the other side of the ball our own go forward trailed off which put pressure on our kicking game.

So infact it was a mistake taking Pritchard on the bench instead of another big body.
Loosing Alvaro early tiered our forwards who were left. Pritchard is a small body who had no punch at all. We could of used another forward & maybe just maybe we could of continued our pressure instead of tiering.

We have a small forward pack as it is, Alvaro, Mannah, Brown. not the biggest forwards & not the fastest either. We carried a hooker, back rower (Scott) used as a middle, & 2 middles one being Terepo, again not the biggest but does provided explosiveness & speed.

I value your information & contribution to this forum although I don't agree with some of the things you say. But in this instance it was a mistake BA made bye putting Pritchard on the bench.
It wasn't the reason we lost as our mistakes did that. But it wasn't the smartest move specially after loosing Alvaro.. Just my opinion.

 

[Eelementary]

So we heard a few weeks back that we are not done spending for 2018, and with several teams now done for 2017, and several teams struggling with their 2018 salary caps, I wonder who we will target next...

 

[Poupou Escobar]

With out any disrespect, You just contradicted yourself.!

No chance. I offered both sides of an argument and it tends to confuse the unsophisticated.

That happened because their go forward improved as we got worn down.
On the other side of the ball our own go forward trailed off which put pressure on our kicking game.

So infact it was a mistake taking Pritchard on the bench instead of another big body.

If King had gone down it would've been a bigger mistake. Without Kritchard we don't have another hooker option on the bench. Meanwhile the rest of the top eight had these guys on the bench:

Griffin (Storm)
Watson (Roosters)
Mead (Broncos)
Segeyaro (Sharks)
Brown (Seagulls)
Katoa (Panthers)
Hampton (Cowboys)

None of them are 'big bodies'. Three are specialist dummy halves.

Loosing Alvaro early tiered our forwards who were left. Pritchard is a small body who had no punch at all. We could of used another forward & maybe just maybe we could of continued our pressure instead of tiering.

We have a small forward pack as it is, Alvaro, Mannah, Brown. not the biggest forwards & not the fastest either. We carried a hooker, back rower (Scott) used as a middle, & 2 middles one being Terepo, again not the biggest but does provided explosiveness & speed.

I value your information & contribution to this forum although I don't agree with some of the things you say. But in this instance it was a mistake BA made bye putting Pritchard on the bench.
It wasn't the reason we lost as our mistakes did that. But it wasn't the smartest move specially after loosing Alvaro.. Just my opinion.

Don't second guess the coach. He is doing no different from the other top eight coaches. In fact all those games where we only had one hooker in the 17 we were taking a much bigger risk. King and Kritchard miss too many tackles playing long minutes.

 

[T.S Quint]

With out any disrespect, You just contradicted yourself.!

That happened because their go forward improved as we got worn down.
On the other side of the ball our own go forward trailed off which put pressure on our kicking game.

So infact it was a mistake taking Pritchard on the bench instead of another big body.
Loosing Alvaro early tiered our forwards who were left. Pritchard is a small body who had no punch at all. We could of used another forward & maybe just maybe we could of continued our pressure instead of tiering.

We have a small forward pack as it is, Alvaro, Mannah, Brown. not the biggest forwards & not the fastest either. We carried a hooker, back rower (Scott) used as a middle, & 2 middles one being Terepo, again not the biggest but does provided explosiveness & speed.

I value your information & contribution to this forum although I don't agree with some of the things you say. But in this instance it was a mistake BA made bye putting Pritchard on the bench.
It wasn't the reason we lost as our mistakes did that. But it wasn't the smartest move specially after loosing Alvaro.. Just my opinion.

BA didn't know that Alvaro was going to go off injured after 5 minutes.
However he did know that there was a chance King would not make it through the game due to his nerve damage.

You could make the argument then that maybe BA should have just left King out of the side completely if he was such a risk, but then remember Pritchard was only just coming back from a long-term injury himself and perhaps isn't match fit enough to last 80 minutes.

This is why it's probably a good idea not to second guess the coach (in most cases) because he has all the inside information, while we have next to none.

 

[84 Baby]

It seems BA is the new scapegoat. We finished top 4 FFS. He has a metric showing how consecutive set completions lead to tries (he'd of been pissed last night). I reckon he also converts that to consecutive top 4 finishes lead to premierships. But f**k it, in Des we trust

 

[Avenger]

BA is the best coach we have had since Brian Smith. We are at the beginning of our premiership window. With a bit of luck we should be in the GF next year.

 

[Kornstar]

BA didn't know that Alvaro was going to go off injured after 5 minutes.
However he did know that there was a chance King would not make it through the game due to his nerve damage.

You could make the argument then that maybe BA should have just left King out of the side completely if he was such a risk, but then remember Pritchard was only just coming back from a long-term injury himself and perhaps isn't match fit enough to last 80 minutes.

This is why it's probably a good idea not to second guess the coach (in most cases) because he has all the inside information, while we have next to none.

Agreed, everything they collect and analyse would have given them the result they came up with to go with the selections they did. You can't predict the future and you can also make mistakes.......we'll never know if last night was a mistake because we got unlucky losing Alvaro so quickly.

 

[El Diablo]

BA is the best coach we have had since Brian Smith. We are at the beginning of our premiership window. With a bit of luck we should be in the GF next year.

we will be bottom 4

Arthur couldn't win a meat tray on a Friday night