Rumours and Stuff

[Poupou Escobar]

Because it's not working?

After three games you can tell it's not working? In two of those games we were competitive (equal tries scored) against last year's finalists, and in the other we went in with a shit attitude and got ambushed.

 

[Noise]

Both popular members of the squad. Auva'a was also denied a spot in his preferred position by Hayne playing centre.

If players are sooking because a bloke might be in first grade in front of them or their mate then we have an even weaker mentality than I thought.

I also think the leadership in the group is still piss poor.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Teams get rid of bad influences. Keeping them around is itself bad leadership. You've heard of the term 'buying in'? One player failing to buy in spoils the whole dynamic. If 'leadership' was the simple fix, clubs would just hang onto talented players with shit attitudes because leadership would take care of the rest. It doesn't.

 

[hineyrulz]

Sounds like he's been rolling in shit.

Things are looking up for Hindy.

 

[lingard]

After three games you can tell it's not working? In two of those games we were competitive (equal tries scored) against last year's finalists, and in the other we went in with a shit attitude and got ambushed.

Disagree. Attitude had little to do with it. There are other factors involved. I always think it's funny how people think they can assess a player's attitude.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Disagree. Attitude had little to do with it. There are other factors involved. I always think it's funny how people think they can assess a player's attitude.

You can tell a player's attitude by how hard he works when he first runs onto the field (and so fatigue isn't a factor). After that it is obviously hard to tell because you don't know how tired they are.

But when the coach and multiple players come out and criticise the team's attitude you have to assume they're telling the truth.

Obviously our bench forwards (against Penrith) and our starters (against Manly) allowed Cameron King to get isolated, which led to easy metres. This puts you on the back foot and the energy you were trying to conserve gets used up anyway. It can all get too hard for some players very quickly.

 

[Gazzamatta]

You can tell a player's attitude by how hard he works when he first runs onto the field (and so fatigue isn't a factor). After that it is obviously hard to tell because you don't know how tired they are.

But when the coach and multiple players come out and criticise the team's attitude you have to assume they're telling the truth.

Obviously our bench forwards (against Penrith) and our starters (against Manly) allowed Cameron King to get isolated, which led to easy metres. This puts you on the back foot and the energy you were trying to conserve gets used up anyway. It can all get too hard for some players very quickly.

I could usually tell what kind of game Hayne would play by his very first "play the ball".

 

[hindy111]

Things are looking up for Hindy.

As a 4yld some of my favourite memories where running up huge piles of manure. Id roll ssroundnin it. Chicken shit. I grew up on a vege farm to my defense and well it was that or stuffing rotten tomatoes in letterboxes

 

[lingard]

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But when the coach and multiple players come out and criticise the team's attitude you have to assume they're telling the truth.
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I don't think so. I think BA takes this 'no excuses' thing way too far. It sounds very noble, but I think it's one of his failings. "It was our attitude"; and the players just parrot him. Fact is, the 80 minute, high-intensity game required of our (smallish) forwards cannot be played out in scorching heat. I think it's very infair to blame the players' attitudes. It's just become a stock phrase that's thrown out after every disappointing result these days.

 

[hineyrulz]

As a 4yld some of my favourite memories where running up huge piles of manure. Id roll ssroundnin it. Chicken shit. I grew up on a vege farm to my defense and well it was that or stuffing rotten tomatoes in letterboxes

Casper is your dad???? It all makes sense now.......

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I don't think so. I think BA takes this 'no excuses' thing way too far. It sounds very noble, but I think it's one of his failings. "It was our attitude"; and the players just parrot him. Fact is, the 80 minute, high-intensity game required of our (smallish) forwards cannot be played out in scorching heat.

I think that's probably true as well, but to our credit we got back into the Panthers game instead of letting them run away with it (though we were very fatigued). Against Manly we crumbled very quickly. The Seagulls played their best but they are not a 54 point better team than us.

I think it's very infair to blame the players' attitudes. It's just become a stock phrase that's thrown out after every disappointing result these days.

Except the Sharks loss was disappointing and nobody blamed our attitude in that one. Coach and players have been very positive about it.

 

[Happy MEel]

A good attitude is all well and good, but if it doesn’t result in 2 points it’s meaningless. The entire organisation, from management to coaching staff and playing roster, must be solely focused on winning this next game at all costs and approach it as a do or die scenario. Next week we reassess and approach it accordingly.

 

[Eelementary]

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[Poupou Escobar]

A good attitude is all well and good, but if it doesn’t result in 2 points it’s meaningless.

Are you serious? You think the Manly result and the Cronulla result were the same? Look at how Cronulla defended this week. Melbourne couldn't even score one try against them, despite their supposedly giant pack. At least we scored one. More to the point, we only conceded one, despite the Sharks making 164 runs. This week they only made 137 runs.

The entire organisation, from management to coaching staff and playing roster, must be solely focused on winning this next game at all costs and approach it as a do or die scenario. Next week we reassess and approach it accordingly.

But it's not 'do or die' so it would be foolish to, for example, play an underdone top 17 player with an increased risk of re-injury. It's early in the year, and you still want the two points, but it's still early days, with a long season ahead. We have 21 games left to win the 13 required to guarantee a finals spot. Between this time and round 26 last year we won 14 games.

At least this week we've got a team who were shit last year. Their wheels could be about to fall off just when we need them to. Otherwise we might just be good enough to grind out a win anyway.

 

[hindy111]

If we end up 0/5 then what Pou?
I feel we win 28-4 but what if I am wrong.

 

[El Diablo]

If we end up 0/5 then what Pou?

we shit in your bed

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If we end up 0/5 then what Pou?
I feel we win 28-4 but what if I am wrong.

The only thing that matters is our position after 25 rounds. Obviously 0 from 5 is worse than 0 from 3. If we are still competitive in the losses, like we were against Penrith and Cronulla, then it's just a matter of luck. Luck always turns.

 

[Eel2reel]

I think you just answered your own question.

There was no question.

 

[El Diablo]

well there should have been

 

[hindy111]

It didnt for Canberra last year and hasnt yet this year (Luck)