Rumours and Stuff

[JokerEel]

French will always be stuck in the too good for wing but someone else at the club is better at fullback..

 

[84 Baby]

Shutup.

I respect your opinion.

You f**king merkin

 

[Gazzamatta]

Just about every time there was an offload on the weekend it was Gutho who caught the ball. Generally its the hooker but that never happens with Kaysa and thats another reason why Smith is so important on the bench. We saw an improved performance from Kaysa but I dont think its insignificant that he had a break for his HIA.
Gutho is the new Ray Price. Hes always ready and willing in any situation even those "just in case plays". Im not so sure Gutho would be as effective elsewhere. Potentially the best fullback in the comp imho and I dont think thats a stupid statement either although some might differ.
Id play French in the ISP and let him get some confidence. If hes the player we hope he is he will rule ISP and demand selection in the 1s. Hes certainly capable.

 

[Gronk]

So do we need to spend a squillion on Mansour if we can get better value out of Gennings?

We have Greg Louganis too.

 

[Soren Lorenson]

We have Greg Louganis too.

And Bevan French. And Arvaa'r. And the Hoff. And the Haynes. All with limitations, but all much cheaper than Mansour.

 

[Gronk]

And Bevan French. And Arvaa'r. And the Hoff. And the Haynes. All with limitations, but all much cheaper than Mansour.

Would Mansour want more than Hayne ? Pfft -->

 

[hineyrulz]

With French, he is obviously young and can see the point we should give him time.

However my concern is, he won't be a fullback with Gutho here (and I rate him as a fullback) and he isn't a centre. So his only real opportunity with us is winger.

And I understand young players need time to develop and during this period we can accept errors and not so perfect games.

However an important requirement for wing is the ability to ruck it out. French has played 30 or so games and probably the majority on the wing and I cant really recall a game where he has shown much that indicates he could develop the ability to ruck it out.

However he definitely can score a try and adds an X factor to our side.

Maybe with some bigger forwards, we will be able to carry a winger like French.

Additionally if he stays on the wing, we probably won't have to make a decision on him anyway as some other club will offer he fullback money to leave.

French on the wing reminds me of Burt, when the team is going well he’s great to have. Speed to burn and can sniff out a try from anywhere, but with our present side and lack of go forward he is more a liability than a positive. And if we are paying 250-300k for a project player who one day just may be a great fullback(Gutho is almost that now) we are never going to have the ability to have that pack with the go forward to carry a bloke like him on the wing anyway.

 

[84 Baby]

Just about every time there was an offload on the weekend it was Gutho who caught the ball. Generally its the hooker but that never happens with Kaysa and thats another reason why Smith is so important on the bench. We saw an improved performance from Kaysa but I dont think its insignificant that he had a break for his HIA.
Gutho is the new Ray Price. Hes always ready and willing in any situation even those "just in case plays". Im not so sure Gutho would be as effective elsewhere. Potentially the best fullback in the comp imho and I dont think thats a stupid statement either although some might differ.
Id play French in the ISP and let him get some confidence. If hes the player we hope he is he will rule ISP and demand selection in the 1s. Hes certainly capable.

I kinda agree. I don't think he's ever going to be particularly good at that Hayne type fullback, chiming in on a backline movement to crash over or cut-out pass to the winger, but with the way Norman & Moses play we don't need him to. We do need him to be Johnny on the spot around middle of field though capitalising on offloads and broken lines, and that's where he is potentially one of the best. A lot of that comes down to fitness. If French wants to become a genuine fullback, he'd do very well improving his fitness and emulating Gunco's style (hair included), because he's also not too much chop at the Hayne type, even though that's how he's trying to play

 

[lingard]

No one is saying that people who can’t help themselves when it comes to Pou’s posts are deathriders.

The real deathriders on here are very capable of spewing forth negativity without being supposedly baited by Pou.

Real deathriders are people like Ray Hadley or Denis Fitzgerald who have an agenda to de-stabilize the club for their own ulterior motives. I've only ever seen one possible death rider on this forum. And he's not here anymore.

 

[lingard]

I dont know if anyone has ever disagreed that it would be nice to have a big forward or two .... i dont believe its an isuue of whether we need one or not .... the issue is more about people crapping on forever about how they know we need one but the f**king coach has no idea .... well, no - the f**king coach knows too

And I'm saying there's a reason that went on for so long; and long after most fans would have finished venting.

 

[Gronk]

Real deathriders are people like Ray Hadley or Denis Fitzgerald who have an agenda to de-stabilize the club for their own ulterior motives. I've only ever seen one possible death rider on this forum. And he's not here anymore.

Yes, both Hadley and Fitzgerald are weapons grade death riders.

 

[84 Baby]

Real deathriders are people like Ray Hadley or Denis Fitzgerald who have an agenda to de-stabilize the club for their own ulterior motives. I've only ever seen one possible death rider on this forum. And he's not here anymore.

Is that because you killed him?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Real deathriders are people like Ray Hadley or Denis Fitzgerald who have an agenda to de-stabilize the club for their own ulterior motives. I've only ever seen one possible death rider on this forum. And he's not here anymore.

I've personally never used the term myself unless it was in response to someone else's description. In this case my post was in response to yours.

Rather than "Deathrider" I'll leave it to my mate 84 to describe what it is that people have an issue with.

The non-stop, negative, f**king ill-conceived, often self-indulging contrary opinions that some people try to put across with no thought to relevant counter arguments

No amount of gibber gabber will change my view that there are more than one or two posters on this forum that fit this description.

 

[lingard]

Let’s give him a chance and if it doesn’t work in the next 12 months we arsehole him.

Given the small amount of cap space he is taking I think there are bigger priorities for our team (like letting BA know he needs some props).

Can't argue with that except to say we don't 'arsehole' him; we give him the chance to really shine in another team that might suit his style better. Big difference.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Can't argue with that except to say we don't 'arsehole' him; we give him the chance to really shine in another team that might suit his style better. Big difference.

I was just suggesting that we should no longer employ him.

I'm sure we wont actually 'arsehole' him per se and that someone will arrange for a card and some flowers.

 

[lingard]

With French, he is obviously young and can see the point we should give him time.

However my concern is, he won't be a fullback with Gutho here (and I rate him as a fullback) and he isn't a centre. So his only real opportunity with us is winger.

And I understand young players need time to develop and during this period we can accept errors and not so perfect games.

However an important requirement for wing is the ability to ruck it out. French has played 30 or so games and probably the majority on the wing and I cant really recall a game where he has shown much that indicates he could develop the ability to ruck it out.

However he definitely can score a try and adds an X factor to our side.

Maybe with some bigger forwards, we will be able to carry a winger like French.

Additionally if he stays on the wing, we probably won't have to make a decision on him anyway as some other club will offer he fullback money to leave.

Against popular opinion, I still think there is a place in the modern game for a small, fast winger. I think if French were to dedicate himself to the wing postion, and was given a license to roam in attack, he could be brilliant for us.

 

[lingard]

I was just suggesting that we should no longer employ him.

I'm sure we wont actually 'arsehole' him per se and that someone will arrange for a card and some flowers.

You know what I mean.

 

[Gary Gutful]

You know what I mean.

Yep....and you know what I mean.

 

[Gary Gutful]

 

[lingard]

So do we need to spend a squillion on Mansour if we can get better value out of Gennings?

That's what I was thinking. George Jennings is improving with every game. I don't think Mamsour is anymore.