Rumours and Stuff

[Joshuatheeel]

Or Keppie. I wonder what the respective deals are for Vae and Matagi Vrs what it would have cost to keep Keppie.

But matagi / Vave have nothing to do with keeping Keppie, they aren’t on contract next year.

 

[TheRam]

Yeh, I did. So remind me why that means that the Dogs will give up a player who is under contract til 2021? And who they're getting great value from ?

Obviously you didn't read my post that explains exactly why and how.

 

[TheRam]

Twal-Bench player who is identical to Alvaro in style. I rate him, but he's not what we're missing
Fuimaono-Fringe first grader, abysmal defender.
Ailoai-Left because his manager was Will Hopoate's manager and wanted his clients out of Parra, it was well spoken about at the time. Fringe first grader.
Matterson-Still can't work out whether he's a forward or not. Fringe first grader
Paulo-Quality player, left for massive overs at the time though.
Keppie-Young player offered a top 30 spot at Manly, hasn't even played NSW Cup yet.

It's hardly a list to get worked up over, to be fair....

The point is that we didn't have to go out to market for these types of players like we did. Therefore we would have more juniors in our squad, probably playing with more pride and honour and who knows maybe for a little bit less each, which would go to recruiting quality over quantity as BA seems to have done.

Also the all important balance would be addressed with the guys I mentioned plus Keppie being primarily of European or Middle Eastern decent.

 

[TheRam]

Why would we give them Vave or Matagi? They are off contract !!

Additionally you make it sound like BA does nothing on the recruitment front, just because you don’t read about it doesn’t mean BA isn’t making inquires all the time and talking to mangers and players.

Don’t forget Moses wasnt even considered as a possible signing until the deal was done without any suggestions in the media we were interested!

Fake news.

 

[TheRam]

So why didn’t Bellamy close the deal with their massive offer to Milford?

Why couldn’t Bellamy keep Harris? Is he shit at negotiating?

Or aren’t you the one that rates Cleary as one of the best coaches (sorry if I am wrong), yet he couldn’t close the deal on Tedesco or woods ?

Why couldn’t Robinson convince Cootes to sign with the roosters a year or so ago?

Why couldn’t Hasler convince Foran to sign with the dogs a few years back ?

Why couldn’t Bennett convince Taylor to return home this year?

Etc etc etc etc!!

When you quote some of the most successful coaches recruitment misses and omit the countless year on year recruitment scalps successes and compare them to our comparatively nothing coach you're being an absolute boofhead.

When BA has the same success as any of these coaches come back to me and we can compare notes.

 

[Bazal]

The point is that we didn't have to go out to market for these types of players like we did. Therefore we would have more juniors in our squad, probably playing with more pride and honour and who knows maybe for a little bit less each, which would go to recruiting quality over quantity as BA seems to have done.

Twal got offered a three year deal and a first grade jumper. Keppie got a top 30 spot, ridiculous when he has yet to even play NSW Cup and hasn't been a particularly impressive junior. Ailoai we couldn't keep for management reasons. Fuimaono, Souths oaid way more than we were willing for a poor defender. Raiders paid 600k of a 7-ish mill cap for Paulo, huge overs under that salary system....maybe we simply save money and got similar level players?

Also the all important balance would be addressed with the guys I mentioned plus Keppie being primarily of European or Middle Eastern decent.

Ah yes, the all important KKK Formula

 

[lingard]

So you're diminishing our wins to fit someone's (negative) narrative? Sounds a bit death-riderish to me

That's only because you don't know what a death-rider is. A death-rider is actually someone who has a vested interest in seeing the team do badly. That's not me, mate. Out of curiosity, what's your take on why we're going so poorly this year? Just bad luck?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Obviously you didn't read my post that explains exactly why and how.

You told me to read your post immediately before the one that I replied to. I can't see any explanation in that. Humour me and show me exactly what you are referring to.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

That's only because you don't know what a death-rider is. A death-rider is actually someone who has a vested interest in seeing the team do badly. That's not me, mate. Out of curiosity, what's your take on why we're going so poorly this year? Just bad luck?

Ok, maybe a better term can be used but still it's dumb to say "if we lost these games that we won we would have finished lower" that's a given but the fact is we won those games.

Not completing sets, lack of direct play from the halves, not fighting to get up when we're tackled which leads to slow play the balls and not allowing the backs enough space, lack of confidence. Plenty of reasons why we're not winning, don't think it has anything to do with the BMI of our forwards or that we're just shit.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Ah yes, the all important KKK Formula

"You're only here because you're white" great recruitment strategy.

 

[Noise]

Not completing sets, lack of direct play from the halves, not fighting to get up when we're tackled which leads to slow play the balls and not allowing the backs enough space, lack of confidence. Plenty of reasons why we're not winning, don't think it has anything to do with the BMI of our forwards or that we're just shit.

Doesn't the combination of all those things you just mentioned over the first 9 weeks (resulting in us coming last) mean we are 'just shit'?

 

[Gazzamatta]

Good point there OA. I saw one player fight the tackler to play the ball quickly. That was Will Smith and surprise, surprise, we got a penalty. Why do we just submit? Conserving energy perhaps?

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Doesn't the combination of all those things you just mentioned over the first 9 weeks (resulting in us coming last) mean we are 'just shit'?

No because we've seen this team perform well last year. If it was consecutive years of losses like from 2010-2014 then I'd say yes.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Good point there OA. I saw one player fight the tackler to play the ball quickly. That was Will Smith and surprise, surprise, we got a penalty. Why do we just submit? Conserving energy perhaps?

Another one was later in the game with Gutherson fighting to play the ball quickly, another penalty. It's odd that we just submit in the ruck, it's obviously beneficial to fight to get to your feet.

 

[lingard]

I'll ask the question again, because the last time I asked it, it got ignored (and I suspect it's because either it doesn't fit in with this narrative of "we didn't sign enough players", or people simply don't have the answer):

Where is the proof that we didn't make an effort to bolster our side by signing some more props, or another hooked?

Where is the proof that players didn't simply knock us back?

It's so easy to cry and say, "BA has no idea - he was too easygoing in the recruitment department," but nobody knows what went down.

I'll ask the question again, because the last time I asked it, it got ignored (and I suspect it's because either it doesn't fit in with this narrative of "we didn't sign enough players", or people simply don't have the answer):

Where is the proof that we didn't make an effort to bolster our side by signing some more props, or another hooked?

Where is the proof that players didn't simply knock us back?

It's so easy to cry and say, "BA has no idea - he was too easygoing in the recruitment department," but nobody knows what went down.

You're right. There is no absolute proof either way. There's no proof that BA has tried to do anything other than what he's actually done. But, you know, this is Brad Arthur's first stint as a first grade coach. He's got exactly four and one third seasons' experience in the role. To expect that he would be perfect and not have made at least some f*ck ups, is ludicrous.

 

[Noise]

No because we've seen this team perform well last year. If it was consecutive years of losses like from 2010-2014 then I'd say yes.

What has last year got to do with this year? You are saying teams can only be shit if we are crap for 2 years or more? If we continue to run last (or anywhere near the bottom of the ladder) we are indeed shit as are the other teams that are at the bottom of the ladder.

When any team is 2 from 9 and coming last the team is a steaming pile of shit.

 

[TheRam]

Twal got offered a three year deal and a first grade jumper. Keppie got a top 30 spot, ridiculous when he has yet to even play NSW Cup and hasn't been a particularly impressive junior. Ailoai we couldn't keep for management reasons. Fuimaono, Souths oaid way more than we were willing for a poor defender. Raiders paid 600k of a 7-ish mill cap for Paulo, huge overs under that salary system....maybe we simply save money and got similar level players?



Ah yes, the all important KKK Formula

Maybe if the lower grade players were seeing a coach that had faith in them and blooded from within instead of recruiting similar players from outside, they would feel there was a future here. If BA had of elevated someone like Twal or Matterson, they may still be here for less then what it cost to recruit someone else.

And yes we need the KKK to balance our squad. They help keep everyone honest.

 

[TheRam]

You told me to read your post immediately before the one that I replied to. I can't see any explanation in that. Humour me and show me exactly what you are referring to.

No I didn't say it was immediately before. You just took it that way. It was I think from a couple of days ago.

 

[84 Baby]

Maybe if the lower grade players were seeing a coach that had faith in them and blooded from within instead of recruiting similar players from outside, they would feel there was a future here. If BA had of elevated someone like Twal or Matterson, they may still be here for less then what it cost to recruit someone else.

And yes we need the KKK to balance our squad. They help keep everyone honest.

If you were actually to look at any of our juniors then you’d realise how ridiculously incompatible your two paragraphs are

 

[TheRam]

If you were actually to look at any of our juniors then you’d realise how ridiculously incompatible your two paragraphs are

Not with the players I have mentioned. And in reference to your statement, there in lies a big part of our problem.