Rumours and Stuff

[hindy111]

or White Unicorns.

El dicko will wna ride it

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

We were talking about Maloney, who actually was prepaid, so I was thinking about a player joining the dogs in 2019 but getting paid something this year. And you have to have 30 in your squad.
Edit: I thought you probably couldn't include that player as part of your 30, so any payment to him would be to a 31st player.

Maloney was employed on a registered contract during the cap year in which he was 'prepaid' (2012?). Even though he didn't play for them, that salary was assessed under the cap and they had cap space in that year. There's always a Top 25 (in those days). If his part year salary was above a full year minimum wage, then one bloke drops out of the Top 25.

Gus is talking about a) letting a Top 30 player go before June 30, then b) signing a new contract with an existing player that increases their 2018 salary and decreases salary in some later year. Someone else moves into the Top 30.

You can't sign a bloke for 2019, and pay him this year (while he has an NRL contract at another club) and have that come out of the 2018 cap. Gus is just using the word 'prepaid' loosely.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Maloney was employed on a registered contract during the cap year in which he was 'prepaid' (2012?). Even though he didn't play for them, that salary was assessed under the cap and they had cap space in that year. There's always a Top 25 (in those days). If his part year salary was above a full year minimum wage, then one bloke drops out of the Top 25.

Gus is talking about a) letting a Top 30 player go before June 30, then b) signing a new contract with an existing player that increases their 2018 salary and decreases salary in some later year. Someone else moves into the Top 30.

You can't sign a bloke for 2019, and pay him this year (while he has an NRL contract at another club) and have that come out of the 2018 cap. Gus is just using the word 'prepaid' loosely.

I don’t think Gus is referring to that or using the word “prepaid” loosely, as the question to him specifically mentioned can the dogs “renegotiate contracts” and he states “No”.

I think he is actually meaning “prepaying” contracts”.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Maloney was employed on a registered contract during the cap year in which he was 'prepaid' (2012?). Even though he didn't play for them, that salary was assessed under the cap and they had cap space in that year. There's always a Top 25 (in those days). If his part year salary was above a full year minimum wage, then one bloke drops out of the Top 25.

Gus is talking about a) letting a Top 30 player go before June 30, then b) signing a new contract with an existing player that increases their 2018 salary and decreases salary in some later year. Someone else moves into the Top 30.

You can't sign a bloke for 2019, and pay him this year (while he has an NRL contract at another club) and have that come out of the 2018 cap. Gus is just using the word 'prepaid' loosely.

Yes I understand all that now. I didn't think you could. However what we were discussing then was the possibility of a Maloney type situation. Which is why I asked if you can have more than 30 players.

 

[hindy111]

I also feel its unfair how last season we took Moses for half his cost.

It means your getting an 800k player for 400k in the finals.
Teams can exploit it. Leave 700k spare and hope.to pick up 2 guys for half the year from teams clearing the decks as season shot.
Of course it is risky but come finals it can pay off big time

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

I don’t think Gus is referring to that or using the word “prepaid” loosely, as the question to him specifically mentioned can the dogs “renegotiate contracts” and he states “No”.

I think he is actually meaning “prepaying” contracts”.

Yeah it's a bit weird. Maybe he just didn't read the question properly.


Serra

@Serra0201
@PhilGould15 Hi Gus, can the bulldogs renegotiate contracts with players on back ended deals so they can be paid an even amount for each remaining year of their contract? This may help ease the burden with so many players on inflated salaries?





Phil Gould

@PhilGould15
No. You can’t reduce the amount of a registered contract. You can prepay them if you had money available in this year’s cap. It might be why they would move a player or two before June 30 this year to free up 2018 cap space to prepay some of 2019.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

My take is that he means front-loading contracts

 

[Stevie]

Geez guys, its not f**king rocket surgery.

 

[84 Baby]

My take is that he means front-loading contracts

My take is, for cap purposes only, you can renegotiate at any point of a players contract to pay them more under cap, but you can not pay them less than original contract for cap purposes (you could in theory pay them less but the NRL would take the original figure)

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

My take is, for cap purposes only, you can renegotiate at any point of a players contract to pay them more under cap, but you can not pay them less than original contract for cap purposes (you could in theory pay them less but the NRL would take the original figure)

But you used to have to extend a contract to do that. We haven't heard about any changes to that but he doesn't mention extensions.
So he says no, then says you can't do a different thing to what the questioner asked, and then basically answers yes to the question. Sort your shit out, Gus!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Maybe he is just talking about doing what his words mean.

Player X is on a contract worth $400k for 3 years. You pay him in advance (prepay him) $200k this year above his $400k and then next year he only needs to be paid $200k to be even. It doesn't change his contract value.

The Salary Cap is a combination of what is registered in total contracts (a club needs to lodge a Salary Cap forecast at the start of a year) and also a summary of what was spent (lodged at the end of the year) as a true up.

The NRL won't knowingly let a club forecast to be over the cap but they really only care about what was spent at the end.

Oh and @Poupou Escobar - FYI the salary cap year runs 1st Nov to 31st Oct.

ffs

 

[Bazal]

I rate Parcell. Hope it's true. He's a good defender which BA likes but his attacking game is much better than the blokes at the club currently

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I don’t think Gus is referring to that or using the word “prepaid” loosely, as the question to him specifically mentioned can the dogs “renegotiate contracts” and he states “No”.

I think he is actually meaning “prepaying” contracts”.

Literally 'prepaying' would make no difference to the cap value of someones contract in any year. If they have a registered contract, and for some reason you pay the cash early or late that doesn't change the agreed annual compensation. The only possible effect on cap position occurs if you lodge a new contract with the NRL (and there are restriction on that).

 

[84 Baby]

Literally 'prepaying' would make no difference to the cap value of someones contract in any year. If they have a registered contract, and for some reason you pay the cash early or late that doesn't change the agreed annual compensation. The only possible effect on cap position occurs if you lodge a new contract with the NRL (and there are restriction on that).

Well if we take emjaycee as correct (and I'm inclined to agree with him here):

The Salary Cap is a combination of what is registered in total contracts (a club needs to lodge a Salary Cap forecast at the start of a year) and also a summary of what was spent (lodged at the end of the year) as a true up.

For cap purposes (not contract law purposes) it may suffice to report to the NRL at the end of the year "we paid an extra $400k to Player X this season above our initial estimate" and then next season estimate "$400k less than his registered contract amount for that year." Now obviously the NRL could reject this, but reading into Gould's comments it sounds like they are ok with that arrangement (probably dollar figures depending), although evidently with NRL management it would also depend on wording of contracts, clubs/players involved, time of day, bee migration patterns and a dartboard for them to decide

Edit - note @emjaycee I'm not putting words in your mouth, just agreeing with your general explanation on salary cap reporting procedure. I may be putting words in Gus' mouth, but that's better than what @hindy111 wants to put in there

 

[emjaycee]

Literally 'prepaying' would make no difference to the cap value of someones contract in any year. If they have a registered contract, and for some reason you pay the cash early or late that doesn't change the agreed annual compensation. The only possible effect on cap position occurs if you lodge a new contract with the NRL (and there are restriction on that).

You sound very definite in this however wi...

Well if we take emjaycee as correct (and I'm inclined to agree with him here):


For cap purposes (not contract law purposes) it may suffice to report to the NRL at the end of the year "we paid an extra $400k to Player X this season above our initial estimate" and then next season estimate "$400k less than his registered contract amount for that year." Now obviously the NRL could reject this, but reading into Gould's comments it sounds like they are ok with that arrangement (probably dollar figures depending), although evidently with NRL management it would also depend on wording of contracts, clubs/players involved, time of day, bee migration patterns and a dartboard for them to decide

Edit - note @emjaycee I'm not putting words in your mouth, just agreeing with your general explanation on salary cap reporting procedure. I may be putting words in Gus' mouth, but that's better than what @hindy111 wants to put in there

I was typing something similar to Barry when the phone rang so thanks for that.
At least I didn't need to type anything into google for it come out gibberish on here.

 

[Gronk]

So this Matt Purcell merkin....

Born in QLD is age 26 NB

Played 6 games for Brisbane in 2015 All from bench
Played 15 games for Manly in 2016 11 as starting hooker, 4 from bench

Manly announce the release of Matt Parcell to Leeds Rhinos
LEAGUE

Published on Dec. 21, 2016

Parcell has been in pre-season training with the Sea Eagles and was set to vie with Apisai Koroisau for the hooking role in 2017, but felt his style was better suited to the Super League."

After discussions with head coach Trent Barrett and Manly head of football, Bob Fulton, at the club's training camp in Coffs Harbour last week, negotiations between Manly and Leeds got serious," the statement read."Fulton negotiated the exit through Parcell's manager Clinton Schifcofske and Leeds Rhinos highly respected Chief Executive Gary Hetherington."Manly have great respect for Gary Hetherington and the Rhinos. They are a professionally run club and the Rhinos will be a good fit for Matt Parcell who is a young player starting out on his career,’’ Fulton said.“We are well off for hookers and this gives Matt a wonderful opportunity at a great club. Hopefully it is the start of a long term association between the clubs.

The owners of the Sea Eagles, the Penn family, have great respect for the Rhinos."Parcell said he enjoyed his time at the Sea Eagles and wished the club well.“I have nothing but respect for my team-mates and the coaching staff here at the Sea Eagles,’’ he said.“The club has been good to me since I moved down from Queensland and it was an honour to wear the great Manly colours. I wish Trent and the boys all the very best for 2017 and beyond.“I'm excited to have signed a deal with Leeds Rhinos. After talking to Gary and Brian,

I think the brand of football they want to play is really going to suit my game.“Playing in England has always been something that I have wanted to do and I'm looking forward to the move."

http://www.nospam47.com/au/league/n...os-nrl-rugby-league/gxtv7lrwdr1n15rocjweabhs7

Played 27 games for Leeds in 2017 all as starting hooker
Played 13 games for Leeds in 2018 played starting hooker for 12 games but recently was pushed back to the bench behind Adam Cuthbertson

In 2017 made the ESL Dreamteam (hooker of the year)

 

[Gary Gutful]

I rate Parcell. Hope it's true. He's a good defender which BA likes but his attacking game is much better than the blokes at the club currently

I agree. He is the complete package.

 

[T.S Quint]

Adam Cuthbertson is still playing?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Also coaching the womynz team: https://www.sbs.com.au/news/cuthbertson-enjoying-coaching-diversion

 

[Stevie]

I agree. He is the complete package.

If I am honest I really cant remember anything about him but if that is all true then at 26 he could be a really solid signing. I would much prefer him than Api etc.

I cant imagine he is a huge money player so in the case that we are the least desirable club (next to Melbourne or someone else) perhaps we can afford to pay him more than the others to make sure we get him here.

Fingers crossed.