Rumours and Stuff

[Joshuatheeel]

You do realise that the Dogs pay the bit that the club that picks him up don't pay...right?

You really think the dogs will let Woods go to the sharks if they have to pay half his contract?

 

[TheRam]

You're the one who came in all aggressive assuming I wasn't aware that Dogs would pay the shortfall

Well your statement didn't sound like it.

 

[84 Baby]

He has no idea... lol.

For Rammy: a mid-season switch is a negotiation between all 3 parties (Dogs, Woods, Sharks). If the Sharks want him, and the Dogs want to offload his salary, and Woods is agreeable to going, then the negotiation becomes how much the Sharks will pay, and how much Woods will leave on the table to go there.

So if (theoretically) he is on $900k/ season, and the Sharks say they will take him on for $500k per season, then it is up to the Dogs as to what they do next. If Woods really wants to go, they are within their rights to say 'no, you signed here, you play here'. If he is desperate to go, then they can agree to let him go play for the $500k number, and the Dogs don't pay him a cent. HOWEVER the salary cap implications would still remain that the Dogs are on the hook for $400k (even if they agree not to pay him).

Why would the Dogs have a $400k figure counting against their cap? Because they feel they can replace Woods $900k production with a $500k player (or cheaper, and use some of that $500k elsewhere).

Not quite. In this circumstance it's most likely that Dogs initiated the release (disclaimer - has any of this actually happened yet?) and Woods is within his right to say "you signed, you pay" so onus is on Dogs to appease Woods. Someone would put feelers out if any club is willing to take the contract of Woods, then the Dogs have to check with Woods if that club is agreeable with him. So Woods has 100% choice from those available clubs (or 0% if Dogs can't come to an adequate deal), and there could be a plethora of reasons of choosing Sharks over anyone else. Either way Woods is still getting paid what he signed for, so it's up to Dogs to negotiate with Sharks on how much each club pays to that amount. Now Ram may be correct because of course the Sharks would try to lowball the Dogs, but at what stage do Dogs back out because moving him on hurts them more than keeping him? Especially when they have other options that they could move on e.g. Klemmer, that could move it more from a buyers markets/firesale.

The only way I could see Sharks paying half, besides Dogs losing their minds, is if Dogs are paying fully this and next, effectively writing off both seasons. Not so much an issue this season but I'd have to look into when their board are up for reelection to see if they'd willingly play for $800/$900/$whatever under the cap and likely having another bad season

 

[TheRam]

You really think the dogs will let Woods go to the sharks if they have to pay half his contract?

Like Gould said on tele about this whole saga, it's a process and it will come down to which club will pay the most. But he also said, don't kid yourself, the clubs will be low balling the dogs for sure. There is no way that any club will be paying them anywhere near the original contract value.

That's what happens in situations like this, and this is no different.

 

[84 Baby]

As much as Rammy wants it to be I strongly doubt Cronulla are only paying half of his salary over the lifetime of the contract. And if they are then he needs to redirect his ire at the Dogs because that would be about the worst deal since Alan Bond was alive

Well your statement didn't sound like it.

You're the one who came in all aggressive assuming I wasn't aware that Dogs would pay the shortfall

You assumed something, and that assumption was incorrect. It's ok to be wrong. I didn't think there was any uncertainties in my original statement

 

[TheRam]

You really think the dogs will let Woods go to the sharks if they have to pay half his contract?

Yes it's a fire sale and especially so if the Sharks can take him this year. It makes it even more desirable.

The sticking point though could be that a better offer may come in that the Dogs would prefer. But then again if it were say from the Eels, and Sharon balked at joining such a shit club, then it could torpedo the whole deal for both the Eels and the Sharks, unless the Dogs were/are willing to take the lower of the two offers.

And therein lies our problem. Under this shit coach and his shit recruitment, who the "F" would want to come to our club unless on massive overs?

Good one BA.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Like Gould said on tele about this whole saga, it's a process and it will come down to which club will pay the most. But he also said, don't kid yourself, the clubs will be low balling the dogs for sure. There is no way that any club will be paying them anywhere near the original contract value.

That's what happens in situations like this, and this is no different.

But you aren’t factoring in at what point it is not worth it to the dogs to release Woods.

Yeah they may want to move him on and yes other clubs may make low ball offers.

But if other clubs only offer to pay $450k / half his contract, why wouId the dogs bother releasing him.

It wouId have not have a net affect on their squad / cap. For $450k all they wouId be able to do is probably get one ok forward that isn’t as good as Woods - thus they are just better of keeping him.

Also the dogs aren’t that desperate, they have already released Moses freeing up a good chunk of cap space. And they have already signed a few players.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Yes it's a fire sale and especially so if the Sharks can take him this year. It makes it even more desirable.

The sticking point though could be that a better offer may come in that the Dogs would prefer. But then again if it were say from the Eels, and Sharon balked at joining such a shit club, then it could torpedo the whole deal for both the Eels and the Sharks, unless the Dogs were/are willing to take the lower of the two offers.

And therein lies our problem. Under this shit coach and his shit recruitment, who the "F" would want to come to our club unless on massive overs?

Good one BA.

Why is it a fire sale? Dogs aren’t desperate - see my above post!!

Why do we need to pay massive overs? Plenty of players will change clubs between now and next year and considering we haven’t signed a shit load of players already it’s a good indication BA may be fairly careful in what he is offering!

 

[TheRam]

But you aren’t factoring in at what point it is not worth it to the dogs to release Woods.

Yeah they may want to move him on and yes other clubs may make low ball offers.

But if other clubs only offer to pay $450k / half his contract, why wouId the dogs bother releasing him.

It wouId have not have a net affect on their squad / cap. For $450k all they wouId be able to do is probably get one ok forward that isn’t as good as Woods - thus they are just better of keeping him.

Also the dogs aren’t that desperate, they have already released Moses freeing up a good chunk of cap space. And they have already signed a few players.

All I am saying is that anywhere around $500-600k is what he will be offered and what the dogs will accept. Lets just wait, and I am sure once the deal is done that will be what will be reported as the negotiated deal done.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

All I am saying is that anywhere around $500-600k is what he will be offered and what the dogs will accept. Lets just wait, and I am sure once the deal is done that will be what will be reported as the negotiated deal done.

Ok, yeah I agree something around $600k is closer to what the dogs wouId want for Woods (so the dogs pay something around $200k)

 

[TheRam]

Why is it a fire sale? Dogs aren’t desperate - see my above post!!

Why do we need to pay massive overs? Plenty of players will change clubs between now and next year and considering we haven’t signed a shit load of players already it’s a good indication BA may be fairly careful in what he is offering!

I applaud your loyalty, but I am sorry, I go by results and thus far the guy has run this clubs performances into the ground with his recruitment strategy.

The guy showed great strength during our salary cap drama period for sure. But really some of his decisions in recruitment over the 5 years has been outrageously bad. I have given up on him ever being able to repair his reputation after this horrendous season quick enough for him to make the quality signing that need to be made.

He will be gone by the end of the year. I just hope we can sign Bennett who should be also looking for a new gig by then too.

But knowing our luck, we will get the one dimensional Maguire instead.

 

[Stevie]

I'd take Woods at 600k, all day long. Woods and Paulo prop and Brown at lock. Alvaro and perhaps a fit Evans off the bench. MUCH better looking IMO.

But hey, maybe I'm a nufty.

 

[TheRam]

Ok, yeah I agree something around $600k is closer to what the dogs wouId want for Woods (so the dogs pay something around $200k)

If it ends up being around that, then he is a bargain of sorts. There is no other player of his immense quality and experience that you could entice to leave his club for that kind of money.

 

[Glenneel]

He's worth more to the Sharks than to us IMO. We already have Junior coming on big money, and Brown and Alvaro are better players than Woods has been this year and even last year IMO.

Because I reckon Woods has been garbage for the most part. He's a genuine first grader but even at 500k you'd want.more than he has been offering

Well we're probably paying Evans that to play in reserves. Would swap Sharon for him in a heartbeat.

 

[TheRam]

I'd take Woods at 600k, all day long. Woods and Paulo prop and Brown at lock. Alvaro and perhaps a fit Evans off the bench. MUCH better looking IMO.

But hey, maybe I'm a nufty.

Spot on. That is why I initially I said it would be a great signing if we could pull it off. But unfortunately we are dogged by a mongrel of a season AGAIN and a coach that is quickly becoming a muppet in the eyes of other players in the NRL.

Also our CEO has been copping it too, so we are in the tank right across the board...AGAIN.

I can see this shit going on for at least 2 or 3 more years with this lot. Lost all confidence now.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I applaud your loyalty, but I am sorry, I go by results and thus far the guy has run this clubs performances into the ground with his recruitment strategy.

The guy showed great strength during our salary cap drama period for sure. But really some of his decisions in recruitment over the 5 years has been outrageously bad. I have given up on him ever being able to repair his reputation after this horrendous season quick enough for him to make the quality signing that need to be made.

He will be gone by the end of the year. I just hope we can sign Bennett who should be also looking for a new gig by then too.

But knowing our luck, we will get the one dimensional Maguire instead.

He deserves the off-season and next year to turn things around. It’s really his first poor year.

If this time next year the results are similar, then I agreed it’s time to go shopping for a new coach!!

We don’t want Bennett, his time is over!!

 

[Glenneel]

Yes it's a fire sale and especially so if the Sharks can take him this year. It makes it even more desirable.

The sticking point though could be that a better offer may come in that the Dogs would prefer. But then again if it were say from the Eels, and Sharon balked at joining such a shit club, then it could torpedo the whole deal for both the Eels and the Sharks, unless the Dogs were/are willing to take the lower of the two offers.

And therein lies our problem. Under this shit coach and his shit recruitment, who the "F" would want to come to our club unless on massive overs?

Good one BA.

Yes this season has killed our chances of bringing any player here for anything like their real value. We'll have to pay overs again as we've done for years. And look at the poor squad we've built under BA. Really the projector needs to be dusted off as we need a complete cleanout. However, beyond a handful of players who are worthwhile keeping, very few could be offloaded to other clubs. As Spud Carroll says we have midgets for forwards and our playing style is boring and predictable. BA needs to be tapped on the shoulder to leave and bring in a decent coach.

Bennett now knows the Broncs don't want him so surely he'll not go around with them next year. Maybe the challenge of turning Parra around may appeal to him, it did to Gibson. If not him what about Walters? If Qld get slaughtered in SOO (wishful thinking there) he may be willing to come here. Regardless, unless we can get a coach that players generally want to play under, we'll never get a decent squad unless we consistently make the finals. And therein lies our problem. Would a decent coach come here in the first place? That is our first and only imperative atm.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Yes this season has killed our chances of bringing any player here for anything like their real value. We'll have to pay overs again as we've done for years. And look at the poor squad we've built under BA. Really the projector needs to be dusted off as we need a complete cleanout. However, beyond a handful of players who are worthwhile keeping, very few could be offloaded to other clubs.

FFS, we have:
Pritchard
King
Gennings
Davis
Edwards
Peni
Gower
KA
NK
T. rex
Hayne
Vave
Matagi
Scott

All off contract, so what makes you think we can’t made some substantial changes to the roster?

Yeah fair enough our form has been poor but the side has plenty of genuine first graders.

Additionally generally only Jennings / Evans / Norman are consistently mentioned by some as players that should be let go - and 2 of these 3 are off contract next year.

Won’t be hard to make changes to the roster!!

Also we have a core of rookies starting to get close to NRL debuts ( NK / Mahoney already with Stone / Salmon getting close)

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Double post

 

[TheRam]

You liked your own post that much you had to post it twice.