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Joshuatheeel

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Why am I not surprised that we are looking at Will Smith, the player on the decline out of all those great juniors Penrith have blooded over the last couple of years. He is so inconsistent and not a strong runner of the ball or defender. For mine fringe first grader.

As for Benji, well what can one say about this? If it were for one year and then we have a greater plan for 2018, then it would make some sort of sense, but otherwise it is a very odd move if true.

He is a knights junior
 

Joshuatheeel

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The more I think about it, the more I think we should be going after Jackson Hastings. He has the greatest upside of all the "gettable" halves available at the moment.

I don't think he would cost more then $500-550k and if BA can manage to bring out the kids full potential then we would have one hell of a player that would rival any of the top new breed of halves coming through.

On the other hand if we go for Reynolds or Widdop, both are lackluster but stable players. Sure they can do a job, but hardly really worth the $600k+ that they will be seeking. Especially Reynolds who is so injury prone and never takes on the line. Even his passing game is limited. He really only offers a kicking game. I think I would prefer Widdop over Reynolds if I had to choose.

But really I don't want either, I want more options from my halves. Players that can do anything from nothing, not plodders. We have had way to many of those in our team and it has gotten us nowhere.Generally the best teams that excite fans and win finals matches, have dynamic players in their spine especially fullbacks and halves. We have no one that fits that bill at the moment.

Sure we will probably have Norman, but he is not very fast and having just him as our go to man will make us very predictable and the better teams will learn how to shut us down very quickly. Even the great Thurston couldn't win jack until he was partnered with a lethal running 5/8th, ball playing fullback and probably the second most creative hooker in the game. And who did they just manage to beat? The Broncos who also have a spine from hell in all four positions.

If you look at Souths, They had Keary who really is a better ballplayer then Reynolds, Luke/Karasiou, both dynamic from dummy half, and Inglis at the back. But their magic came from their monster pack that just bashed you into submission. We don't have that and won't have that kind of pack in the short to medium future.

Again, the best teams in the comp with any real chance of winning it, are the best spine teams surrounded by able to great players.

We have Norman, and that's about it. So we are looking to partner him with a consistent stable partner. Yeah it might work, especially if we had a brilliant fullback and or creative dummy half. But we don't. I think Gutho will be a decent fullback without being in the top 6 or 7. Again that make him decent, but not outstanding. As for hooker, well we just suck hairy balls there at the moment.

So anyway, we will be a decent team next year, but hardly one to get excited about after the absolute shit of a season we have had this year, hell for the last 7 years. All I am saying is I want to add spark to this team not just structure, we already have that. If we lose Semi, then the only real reliable and dynamic powerhouse in our backline is gone. Then all we we will be left with is Bevan, who is great, but weak, and Jennings, who can kill a backline movement as much as he can create one.

We need better options in our spine, If we had a top 3 hooker or fullback in the team already, then sure partner Norman with a solid steady guy, but we don't, so we need to inject more creativity not less, and I think Jackson Hasting can be that guy.

Hastings isnt worth $550k, that is just stupid money for a rookie!!
 

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To be honest, I couldn't care less if we signed Benji, will smith, David mead or Daffy Duck... If King Arthur feels he can work and get the best out of them than I'm all for it..
Does anyone feel we could potentially get another JT circa 01 out of Benji next year?? ... I wouldn't put it past him.
 

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If we're talking about for just 1 year, I'd rather see how the Fogarty kid goes than sign Marshall...

Marshall will be fine for us for a gap year!! He will do a decent job as Norman's assistance.

Gee when was the last time we signed an "over hill veteran" that everyone said was passed it .........., was it 2001?????

In BA I trust!'
 

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To be honest, I couldn't care less if we signed Benji, will smith, David mead or Daffy Duck... If King Arthur feels he can work and get the best out of them than I'm all for it..
Does anyone feel we could potentially get another JT circa 01 out of Benji next year?? ... I wouldn't put it past him.

You have a point as Benji won't need to feel he needs to be the go-to playmaker. Just shift the ball and work on tackle 5 when required. My problem with Benji is having a No.7 that defends at outside centre like we had with Sandow. How good was it with Foz or Robbo defending in the line ?
 

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Hastings isnt worth $550k, that is just stupid money for a rookie!!

Agree. Saints might throw that much at him but any otehr club would be stupid to. When he went across to the Roosters he probably went for a fair bit for someone who hadn't played NRL, I'd think maybe somewhere in the 200K ballpark. If anything, his stocks have probably gone south given he can no longer crack a spot in the 17 for the team coming 2nd last... 500K would be absolute madness
 

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To be honest, I couldn't care less if we signed Benji, will smith, David mead or Daffy Duck... If King Arthur feels he can work and get the best out of them than I'm all for it..
Does anyone feel we could potentially get another JT circa 01 out of Benji next year?? ... I wouldn't put it past him.

And Marshall is a lot better player then Taylor was...,
 

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You have a point as Benji won't need to feel he needs to be the go-to playmaker. Just shift the ball and work on tackle 5 when required. My problem with Benji is having a No.7 that defends at outside centre like we had with Sandow. How good was it with Foz or Robbo defending in the line ?

Is that a role Marshall will stick to though? I just think his instincts to try and be the go to guy and make the big play when it's not on will kick in. I thnk it's something he has been guilty of since he returned to the NRL with Saints.
 

Joshuatheeel

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You have a point as Benji won't need to feel he needs to be the go-to playmaker. Just shift the ball and work on tackle 5 when required. My problem with Benji is having a No.7 that defends at outside centre like we had with Sandow. How good was it with Foz or Robbo defending in the line ?

He isn't in Foran's class for defending, but he definitely isn't in the Sandow class. Don't think he is that bad, is willing but then we don't want big edge forwards running at him on the try line either.
 

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You have a point as Benji won't need to feel he needs to be the go-to playmaker. Just shift the ball and work on tackle 5 when required. My problem with Benji is having a No.7 that defends at outside centre like we had with Sandow. How good was it with Foz or Robbo defending in the line ?

My issue is that Benji would want to be the go-to playmaker. I would rather we pass on Benji but if BA does decide to sign him for a year I will cop it.

In the end we are currently beating teams with the godly pairing of Robson/Gutherson so Norman + 1 puts us in a good stead in general.
 

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Is that a role Marshall will stick to though? I just think his instincts to try and be the go to guy and make the big play when it's not on will kick in. I thnk it's something he has been guilty of since he returned to the NRL with Saints.

He is playing for the dragons, his coach is McGregor!! Of course he is guilty of playing shit at times !!

But what do you think BA will do, if he tries to go for the big play over the sides game plan ????
 

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To be honest, I couldn't care less if we signed Benji, will smith, David mead or Daffy Duck... If King Arthur feels he can work and get the best out of them than I'm all for it..
Does anyone feel we could potentially get another JT circa 01 out of Benji next year?? ... I wouldn't put it past him.

100%

I go as Arthur goes and so far he has done an outstanding job and hasn't given me any reason to doubt him in the scheme of things.

Back to back years he has been screwed, last year losing Hayne without time to recruit properly and this year has been a complete shit fight from every angle.

Benji wouldn't be terrible to be honest as it will be the Corey show with Benji just focusing on his own game and not worrying about putting a team on his shoulders.
 

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My issue is that Benji would want to be the go-to playmaker. I would rather we pass on Benji but if BA does decide to sign him for a year I will cop it.

In the end we are currently beating teams with the godly pairing of Robson/Gutherson so Norman + 1 puts us in a good stead in general.

I am not to sure about that, he pretty much played his best footy when he was partnered with Prince who was the "main" play maker. Since prince left, he has never really had a decent halves partner. Even Widdop really is a make shift half.

I reckon Marshall will actually enjoy his foot better without the extra responsibility of being the dominant half partner. Focusing more on himself.

Also BA did a pretty good job with putting the Foran / Norman combo together. It was probably expected Foran due to his status may have over played his hand over Norman, but BA got then combining pretty good in the games they player together.
 

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Hastings isnt worth $550k, that is just stupid money for a rookie!!

Yeah well the market is the market. Halves get the bucks. If no one else(Dragons) want him we may get lucky and pick him up for around $300k, who knows and sure there is a downside due to his attitude, but there is a huge upside that none of the other candidates offer if he sorts himself out. He is still very young, can be influenced and redirected if it's in him and under the right guidance.
 

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I reckon that's how much he is likely to get. He wouldn't be on much less right now.

You could be right, but I would be surprised if an Under 20's half with no NRL experience was signed for 400K+.by the Roosters regardless of how much he might have been carving up in that under 20's comp. If anything an incentive based contract with bonuses for playing 1st grade might have bumped up his earnings but over 400K? I can't see the Roosters paying that in 2014 for the kid
 

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Yeah well the market is the market. Halves get the bucks. If no one else(Dragons) want him we may get lucky and pick him up for around $300k, who knows and sure there is a downside due to his attitude, but there is a huge upside that none of the other candidates offer if he sorts himself out. He is still very young, can be influenced and redirected if it's in him and under the right guidance.

I agree he is close to the best option - he would be my pick (of the players available) Also I don't think his attitude is to do with poor training etc, it's more his ego that's the problem. Maybe something Scott couldn't fix with some boxing sessions.....
 
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