Rumours and Stuff

[hindy111]

Forwards win matches, the backs decide by how much.
The physique of the Roosters front row is something we need to adopt.
I kmow that Pou Pou will come in with some remark about last year, hello we are overmatched most games, despite Alvaro's work rate,
Strangely enough , either of the Manly props would improve our stocks in that area.
Mannah is a low impact , hard working tackler, just my opinion.

Mannah wont be top 17 next season. Touched on in blueprint.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well if this eventuates we should be able to sack the merkin and not have to pay him a cent. Let’s see how it pans out.

If he's not breaking the law or otherwise bringing the club into disrepute why would we be able to sack him for no payout? Players are free to do as they please in their spare time.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You mean the benefit of the doubt in so much as the club dosent have sufficient influence to restrain such habits?

Plenty of clubs get rid of players who don't toe the line. The strong clubs never need to take a risk on these types in the first place.

Its a young persons world Poo. Id be confident every club has their Corey Normans. Lets face it. We were prepared to ignor these fabled Norman issues when we re-signed him to a mega deal. My concern is why has everything changed and why arent we able to focus the guy. We all agree footy skill dosent disappear overnight.
We have bought in new cultural kpi's. Why cant we control such issues. Surely Norman is not that stupid to burn an 800k per season career. If not, whats changed and why is Norman the scapegoat?

Why was Kenny Edwards the scapegoat? He was also one of our better attacking players.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What if the coach decided to extend his contract?

It's the coach's prerogative to handle risk as he sees fit. I know the coach loves him, regardless of his off field behaviour. If he gets rid of him it's certainly not personal.

 

[Chipmunk]

It's the coach's prerogative to handle risk as he sees fit. I know the coach loves him, regardless of his off field behaviour. If he gets rid of him it's certainly not personal.

So if the coach re-signs a supposed bad influence, what does that say?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Forwards win matches, the backs decide by how much.

And don't forget the inside centre runs off the five-eighth. ffs

The physique of the Roosters front row is something we need to adopt.
I kmow that Pou Pou will come in with some remark about last year, hello we are overmatched most games, despite Alvaro's work rate,
Strangely enough , either of the Manly props would improve our stocks in that area.
Mannah is a low impact , hard working tackler, just my opinion.

The Manly props are both massive liabilities without the ball. Trbojevic struggles to cover for them both. They would be better paired with an Alvaro/Mannah type.

 

[Gronk]

I'd be talking to Tupou. With Morris and Hall signed at the Roosters he'll be surplus next season.

Parra jnr too

 

[Happy MEel]

If he's not breaking the law or otherwise bringing the club into disrepute why would we be able to sack him for no payout? Players are free to do as they please in their spare time.

Well if he is partying as you say then we should be able to catch him out with internal testing.

 

[T.S Quint]

Well Peno and Rooster got rid of him while still under contract. What does that tell you?

Once bitten twice shy or in our case 50 times bitten.

I'd say those clubs got rid of Jennings more to free up a massive amount of cap space as opposed to any behavioural issues.

 

[Glenneel]

So nothing since 2016?

Nothing at all but this is Pou's theory why the club is playing shit atm. If he goes and the team is shit next year he'll have another theory.
Our problem is twofold, attack shit, defence shit. Whoever is looking after these parts of our game needs to go, employ Souths attacking coach and Storms defensive coach and see if our overall game improves.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Nothing at all but this is Pou's theory why the club is playing shit atm. If he goes and the team is shit next year he'll have another theory.
Our problem is twofold, attack shit, defence shit. Whoever is looking after these parts of our game needs to go, employ Souths attacking coach and Storms defensive coach and see if our overall game improves.

I’m not blaming Norman at all, I’m blaming our culture. That refers to leadership in the group. I think Norman is probably part of the problem, as is the coach. Now it’s the coach’s job to fix this problem for another year and he has the right to try and fix it as he sees fit. If he doesn’t he won’t be here beyond 2019.

 

[hindy111]

I'd say those clubs got rid of Jennings more to free up a massive amount of cap space as opposed to any behavioural issues.

You dont get rid of good players who are great for club. Jennings was shed from Panthers due to attitude and same went for Roosters. He was still playing great at both clubs. We picked him up at end of career. Once again jacked him up for retirement.

 

[hindy111]

I’m not blaming Norman at all, I’m blaming our culture. That refers to leadership in the group. I think Norman is probably part of the problem, as is the coach. Now it’s the coach’s job to fix this problem for another year and he has the right to try and fix it as he sees fit. If he doesn’t he won’t be here beyond 2019.

Do think we should offer watmough a role afterall he was purchased to help our guys

 

[84 Baby]

You dont get rid of good players who are great for club. Jennings was shed from Panthers due to attitude and same went for Roosters. He was still playing great at both clubs. We picked him up at end of career. Once again jacked him up for retirement.

I call revisionist bullshit

 

[T.S Quint]

You dont get rid of good players who are great for club. Jennings was shed from Panthers due to attitude and same went for Roosters. He was still playing great at both clubs. We picked him up at end of career. Once again jacked him up for retirement.

You do get rid of players if they are going to take up a massive part of your salary cap making it hard for you to sign new players.
Panthers got rid of Luke Lewis as well, and he has never had any behavioral issues, and was still playing good football. How do you explain that?

 

[TheRam]

No he thought Klemmer was.

Mason said Hasler’s habit of over-thinking footy is what stopped him returning to Belmore to once again turn out for the club he made his debut with and played nearly 150 games for. The big bopper finished the 2015 season with Manly and met Hasler to discuss a possible return to the kennel, where he last played in 2007, but was put off by the coach’s obsession with stats.

“I met Des in Darling Harbour (in Sydney) and we had a coffee and started talking about football and life in general. Then he just, bang, put out this big book with stats on everything. On everything. From f***ing day dot,” Mason said on his Skipi TV show Unfiltered.

“In his eyes, I don’t know if they are twisted or football has just got to him but Aiden Tolman was the best prop in the game. But to me, no disrespect to Aiden, (but) I was 35 and I’d still dust him up.

“In my eyes I’m like, ‘No, Sam Burgess (was the best), or George Burgess at that time’ — they were killing it. I said, ‘Do you ever go by the eye test Des and look at what he brings and what sort of emotion and physical presence, and how much drive he has on the field and how much he can get people going with him, and the leadership skills, instead of finding your front on the play the ball, tackling 45 times?’

“There’s a reason why you tackle 45 times if you’re a front-rower — because you’re a spot player. I don’t get run at 50 times a game because I’d hope to think that I can actually tackle all right.”

Mason said the bizarre meeting was the tipping point that convinced him to head to France and play for the Catalan Dragons in 2016.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/w...e/news-story/53908ff45913dbd799a3c57c5aef5806


Wrong as nearly always Pou.
Actually you sound a bit like old Dessie boy. All the stats and sample sizes in the world, but real feel for the game, common sense and insight, right up the wazoo.

 

[hindy111]

You do get rid of players if they are going to take up a massive part of your salary cap making it hard for you to sign new players.
Panthers got rid of Luke Lewis as well, and he has never had any behavioral issues, and was still playing good football. How do you explain that?

I seen Lewis at gym few times. I recall him peackocking a little. Cracked a few loud farts and laugh.Attention seeking for me.
Also seen MJ afew times, seemed to keep to self and go about business quietly

 

[hineyrulz]

I seen Lewis at gym few times. I recall him peackocking a little. Cracked a few loud farts and laugh.Attention seeking for me.
Also seen MJ afew times, seemed to keep to self and go about business quietly

Did he has a parrot on his shoulder???

 

[emjaycee]

Clubs get rid of players (not re-sign or even release them early) for a range of reasons, including salary cap pressure, attitude, form, and sometimes even because they are blocking a pathway for someone younger, cheaper and potentially a better player.

I personally think the reason the Rooster got rid of Jennings at the end of 2015 was because of the pressure for a first grade spot of one L. Mitchell. That and the signing of Dale Copley from Brisbane.

While it took a while and some juggling around to find a spot for Mitchell in the centres, if they hadn't found a spot in the 1-5 for him, I reckon they may have lost him elsewhere.

Since his debut Mitchell has missed 5 games (in nearly 3 seasons) and 2 of those were for Origin this year. He needed to be found a spot and Mennings was the one to make way.

Nothing sinister in it really.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Do think we should offer watmough a role afterall he was purchased to help our guys

I’d say the sort of leadership he provides is by example. Not much use as a non-player.