Rumours and Stuff

[Noise]

Ennis, McCullough and Lichaa are all pedestrian dummy halves and their teams are doing okay. Put them behind strong packs and they do just fine.

How are they pedestrian? They are all better defenders when looking at missed tackles to made tackles. Ennis and Lichaa are better attackers and McCullough has a good kicking game. They are certainly not pedestrian. And a long way ahead of IDG

 

[Chipmunk]

Pure speculation based on no evidence. Lichaa is much better with the ball as evidenced by his attacking stats. De Gois offers SFA as evidenced by his lack of attacking stats.

Compare Peats attacking Stats at the Titans than those to when he was at Parra and I'm sure you will notice a difference.

 

[Noise]

Compare Peats attacking Stats at the Titans than those to when he was at Parra and I'm sure you will notice a difference.

Good idea. Do you know anywhere I can get last year's stats? Be good to compare over a similar period. I think he has played about 15 games for the Titans so need a 15 game stretch from last year (or the year before).

 

[caylo]

Ennis, McCullough and Lichaa are all pedestrian dummy halves and their teams are doing okay. Put them behind strong packs and they do just fine.

Ennis has a great short kicking game and is a genuine ball player with good crisp service. McCullough has probably the best kicking game out of dummy half and is an excellent support player and Lichaa is green but a better version of Kaysa. All tower over DeGois in term of quality of service out of dummy half and vision (I.E Making the right play/going the right way etc) all which stats don't help with. DeGois is a great little defender and he will always miss more tackles because of his in your face/quick off the mark style but he drives more players back in defence. DeGois is not an80min hooker though, his output in 80min games is poor in terms of service quality and mistakes made

 

[Poupou Escobar]

why would we sign the worst dummy half in the comp for two more years??? I reckon it's a fair question.

Is he really the worst or does he just look like the worst in our system? We attack the edges, plus we don't get many quick play-the-balls in the middle. That all adds up to few opportunities for a hooker to run the ball. Peats looked pretty ordinary in our structure as well and merkins were pushing for him to play Origin.

There's a lot of dummy half decision making that merkins don't see (myself included). I'd say De Gois is doing exactly what Arthur's wants from a dummy half.

 

[Noise]

Compare Peats attacking Stats at the Titans than those to when he was at Parra and I'm sure you will notice a difference.

Ok I found last years stats for Peats (He played 19 games):
4 tries
3 try assits
3 line breaks
3 LBA's
13 tackle busts

This year for the Titans (14 games):
2 tries
4 try assists
3 line breaks
5 LBA
2 tackle busts

I wouldn't say there is a significant difference between the two

 

[caylo]

Is he really the worst or does he just look like the worst in our system? We attack the edges, plus we don't get many quick play-the-balls in the middle. That all adds up to few opportunities for a hooker to run the ball. Peats looked pretty ordinary in our structure as well and merkins were pushing for him to play Origin.

There's a lot of dummy half decision making that merkins don't see (myself included). I'd say De Gois is doing exactly what Arthur's wants from a dummy half.

I don't disagree, he still has terrible service.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Am I the only person who thinks that IDG is one of the best defending hookers in the comp?

For the style of defence we play he certainly fits. There are obviously better options (e.g. Peats) but none of them are available.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Do you think De Gois will be a back up next year or top 17?

I think he will be top 17 unless we sign someone else. I certainly don't think his retention stops us picking up another hooker if we find one suitable.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Matt Keating was also one of the best defending hookers in the comp. Ask Pou, he has the stats. The problem was he was the worst attacking hooker in the comp. Just like De Gois. The game has moved away from having a little bloke who tackles his heart out and offers nothing with the ball.

Actually Keating was a dumb player. Dummy half isn't just about running and playmaking. De Gois is smart and experienced.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Would we have many more "re-signings" to make? Maybe Robson

Although I believe we've signed second tier players O'Brien and Uelese, but not official.

Yeah last year I don't think second tier players got any official announcement.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What are you talking about? Lichaa offers a fair bit with the ball, especially compared to IDG. Lichaa:
3 tries
5 try assits
2 line breaks
6 line break assists
They are very good numbers and shit on plodder De Gois. Lichaa's defence is actually a lot better than De Gois' too. Lichaa has made 712 tackles with 24 missed compared to De Gois who has made 571 tackles with 47 missed.

All playing behind the best attacking pack in the comp. I'd say Lichaa has the easiest job of any dummy half in the NRL. Great defender though.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Pure speculation based on no evidence. Lichaa is much better with the ball as evidenced by his attacking stats. De Gois offers SFA as evidenced by his lack of attacking stats.

Stats aren't everything. You can see the Bulldogs attack very differently to us (which would be supported by stats such as the number of touches their halves get compared to ours as well as comparing runs made by middle forwards or edge players).

 

[Noise]

Actually Keating was a dumb player. Dummy half isn't just about running and playmaking. De Gois is smart and experienced.

Of course it isn't. But if you want to do anything in this comp then those are two essential traits of a 9.

 

[Noise]

Stats aren't everything. You can see the Bulldogs attack very differently to us (which would be supported by stats such as the number of touches their halves get compared to ours as well as comparing runs made by middle forwards or edge players).

It doesn't take away from the fact that Lichaa is more than just a little tackling machine (which is what the debate is about). Lichaa is a great defender but he is also a ball player too.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

There's a lot of dummy half decision making that merkins don't see (myself included). I'd say De Gois is doing exactly what Arthur's wants from a dummy half.

Here:

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Asked what differences Hayne could expect at the Titans from his own experiences, Peats said: "Probably just playing a bit more open footy. There's not as much pressure on me here, I don't think.

"At Parramatta we had dominant halves, but up here we've got young halves. Tyrone [Roberts] and Ash [Taylor] really play off the cuff and that's the type of footy I like to play.

"I can probably do a bit more for myself up here rather than Parra – I'm not working as hard on my defence – and that's nothing against Parra. I loved my footy while I was there and I loved playing there, but I probably wasn't doing as much work [on my attack] down there as I am up here.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rug...way-from-parramatta-eels-20160808-gqncna.html

 

[Chipmunk]

Ok I found last years stats for Peats (He played 19 games):
4 tries
3 try assits
3 line breaks
3 LBA's
13 tackle busts

This year for the Titans (14 games):
2 tries
4 try assists
3 line breaks
5 LBA
2 tackle busts

I wouldn't say there is a significant difference between the two

And what about DeGois attack stats?

 

[Noise]

And what about DeGois attack stats?

For 2016:
1 try
2 try assists
0 line breaks
2 LBA
6 tackle busts

For 2015:
2 tries
2 try assists
2 line breaks
2 LBAs
6 tackle busts

 

[Poupou Escobar]

How are they pedestrian?

Compared to the best dummy halves.

They are all better defenders when looking at missed tackles to made tackles.

That only tells part of the story. Missed tackles (especially in the middle) are often the sign of a defender that comes out of the line. We know De Gois is such a defender, and if it wasn't what Arthur wanted he wouldn't have been retained.

Another important stat is tackles per minute. Defensive workhorses seem underappreciated by the typical fan, who all appear to admit they are required, but seem to think only a couple are needed by a team. In fact plenty if workhorses are needed to defend effectively - the vast majority of your middle pack IMO. I've been happy with our defence this year, and I reckon our attack has been poor due to lack of quick play-the-balls (plus a lack of one or both halves as well as an unskilled fullback) more than any issues at dummy half.

Ennis and Lichaa are better attackers and McCullough has a good kicking game. They are certainly not pedestrian. And a long way ahead of IDG.

I agree they're better than De Gois but they are still very pedestrian. But that's fine - like us, those teams don't require much from dummy half.

 

[Micky75]

footy show - terry kennedy said titans next year with signing of Hayne it will tranform the Titans with seat sales. I live on the coast you moron, The Titans don't a market. Gold Coasters they prefer watching AFL than League - simple really. Totally different in Brisbane and Logan.