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Poupou Escobar

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Away record aside, I'm not sure I can consider us as legit premiership threats until we eradicate the 40 and 50+ point belting that still plague us year in, year out. Your Storms, Roosters and Sharks for instance never get those sorts of touch ups.... To me, it's a sign of mental weakness that needs addressing
It's a sign of a middle defence that doesn't work hard enough. Those 'mentally strong' teams always get numbers in the tackle, so they rarely get to that point where they're buggered from backpedaling.

It's two very different variations on working hard, with very different outcomes. You can either front load your defensive effort, stifling the opposition attack, or you can conserve your effort and let the opposition force you to work hard on their terms. The latter option leads to the floggings.

As to the cause, it seems to be a lack of trust between the defenders. Can the player trust his mate to push into the gap he would leave by being aggressive and getting another body into the tackle? If they can stick solid and all work hard together they can hopefully force the opposition to blink first and make a poor decision, turning the ball over. Otherwise they find themselves defending reactively and being dictated to by the opposition.

Likewise, the other cause of big floggings is when the attack lacks patience and turns the ball over under defensive pressure, especially when they're behind on the scoreboard. We are great at this. The opposition gets two tries in front and their tails go up and they start getting off their line hard, and we respond by trying to score on every set. Teams like the Storm and even the Sharks can be 12 points down and they're still grinding through their sets, kicking long and trying to force a mistake. It always makes me nervous.

So trust and patience. These are things the mentally weak teams lack. They are both improved from quality leadership, which you generally get from your veterans. The captain isn't the only leader in the team, or even the best leader, but I think this is telling:

2019 NRL captains (number of games), ordered by ladder position
1. Smith (411)
2. Cordner (168)
3. Sutton (336)
4. Croker (257)
5. Gutherson (92)
6. Cherry-Evans (216)
7. Gallen (348)
8. Boyd (317)
9. Mbye (120)
10. Tamou (245)
11. Pearce (276)
12. Jackson (181)
13. Tuivasa-Sheck (160)
14. Morgan (160)
15. Widdop (195)
16. Roberts (153)

Obviously we have more experienced veterans than Gutherson (as do the Tigers with Mbye) but it surely means something that he's more suitable than our 200 game players. Is he such a great leader? I certainly f**king hope so.
 
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Ummm, of course it is. What is your point?

Mine was that we need to improve our away record if we want to improve. Nothing you've said appears inconsistent with that.

Well, we're on the right trajectory away from home. We were 0-12 in 2018 with a -172 for/against. If we extrapolate arithmetically from that trend we should be 10-2 away from home next year. Simples.
 

hindy111

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My worry with 2020 is whenever we look to have a squad capable of doing well we have a poor season. 2017 and 2019 where nice suprises...
If we finished let's say 6th or 7th would we fans be happy?
 

Poupou Escobar

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My worry with 2020 is whenever we look to have a squad capable of doing well we have a poor season. 2017 and 2019 where nice suprises...
2018 was the surprise for mine. 2017 was a natural extension of 2016 and 2019 flowed well from 2017 if you ignore the outlier in 2018.
If we finished let's say 6th or 7th would we fans be happy?
I would be. Obviously I'd be happier with top four.
 
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