Rumours and Stuff

[hineyrulz]

Isn't there a religion forum all this chat can be moved to?

The mods are too busy sifting through 12 year old posts

 

[eels_fan]

I have us rnd 25 needing to beat the Storm for us to finish 8th. Unfortunately I have them needing the win to get 2nd spot rather then 4th.

Imo Storm have no chance of top 4, let alone playing for 2nd.

I think there is a very good chance Round 25 determines who gets the home game when we meet them again in the first round of the finals. May be Eels v Storm at Commbank 2 weeks in a row.

 

[King-Gutho94]

This comes up every year in here…..generally history shows winning 50% of your games gets you a top 8 spot (however there have been years when it hasn’t).

Us on 28 points means we have won over 50% of our games, no side has missed the finals winning over 50% of their games since 1999. And that year there was 17 teams. So pretty much history indicates 28 almost certainly gets us a top 8 spot. Gee 30 points probably gets us fairly close but not close enough to the top 4……

Additionally I assume using the predictor you are taking the most logical option, history indicates there are always upsets. And there will be a few in the last 6 weeks, throwing those predictions out.

What happens if Titans beat raiders this week? Warriors defeat Storm? We beat broncos in Brisbane? Dragons upset Broncos? Knights defeat Raiders? Etc etc

Almost all are possible outcome, and only 1 or 2 throws out your ladder…thus why 2 wins gets us a top 8 spot

Your better off looking at wins not points as since 2018 you have only got one bye instead of two between 2002-2017 so it skewers the figures a little.

12 wins is generally the cut off.

But history says 13 wins definitely gets you in.

But as what happened in 2014 to Parramatta who won 12 games but missed the finals becuase of a shit F/A.

Other examples of teams getting 12 wins but not making it since the NRL started in 1998.
- Wests Tigers 2018
- St George 2017
- New Zealand & Parramatta 2014
- Canterbury 2011
- Wests Tigers 2009 (Parra got 8th spot with 12 wins and a Draw)
- Newcastle 2008
- Brisbane 2003

Canberra back in 1999 was the last and only time a side won 13 games which means you have a better then 50% win record and missed out on the finals since 1998 so i reckon 13 wins should be ok.

 

[hineyrulz]

Calm down Charlie Brown. Just jokes.

Jokes hurt, just like booing

I know it’s all in fun, I never take this place seriously it’s the internet ffs!!

 

[yy_cheng]

Soto would be a dream to have but he's not the missing piece of the puzzle and signing him means we may lose Judge. Soto maybe the better long term option though but Judge is the face of the franchise. We need Luis Castillo from the Reds. Will he cut his dreads to come over?

Why would we want someone from our forum to play?

 

[SneakyEel]

Has anyone seen Hands play? Has he been impressive just curious? Also is Moretti any good? Remember when we poached him from Roosters. I also heard lots of people have been talking about El-Zakhem is he any good? In general who has been playing good in reserve grade?

 

[TheRam]

No it's like saying that calling everyone who disagrees with you a bully is itself bullying. Refusing to support something isn't persecution. But going after those people who don't support the things you want them to support is 100% bullying behaviour. Justifying it by pretending you give a shit about one group's feelings doesn't stop you being a bully. There are laws against discrimination based on sexual orientation, and the people you want to harass aren't breaking those laws. If they do the law will handle them, not the f**king mob. Get back in your box you impotent, angry little merkin. People don't have to like the things you like. They certainly shouldn't have to pretend to like it just to make you feel better.

Subtle and standing down from your profession bigotry is still damaging and destructive behaviour. If you think I am bullying bigots for being bigots, sure believe what you like.

I used to be bullied from kindergarten to 6 class because we were poor and it showed because I was wearing op shop second hand school uniforms that were not of my actual school and we lived in a very old and almost dilapidated house in the eastern suburbs. My class mates (the girls were even worse the the boys at times) for example used to stop and hold their noses before running fast across to pass our house. Then stop and walk normally again. I was excluded from almost everything and had very few friends because of prejudice. As we all know kids can be cruel at that age and once you are labeled it is very, very hard to change that perspective. It was like a stigma that would not go away and kids didn't want to hang with me. So I was a very shy young boy that just kept to myself in those early school years and it was very hard to make friends. I would just play imaginary games with myself a hell of a lot.

But when I got to high school mostly no one knew me and the kids would talk to me and treat me normally. In no time I started to find my voice and I became a different person and really opened up personality wise. I started to participate and started to play organised sports which made me even more confident. My confidence shot through the roof actually. I made so many mates that by year 10 I was one of the most popular kid in the whole school of around 1300 kids. In year 11 and 12 virtually all the kids in every grade knew me by name even if I didn't know them. I couldn't go anywhere without someone greeting me or stopping me for a chat. It felt great.

My teaches not all, but most loved me. I was a clown, I couldn't stop myself. One time I remember my English teacher and the overall English master who was a very old school fuddy-duddy type stopped the class after I said something that cracked him up and the class and announced that in all his years as a teacher he had never met anyone quite like me and that I bring a welcome and humorous distraction to the class. I remember this because right then I remember thinking to myself wow, what a different experience to life I am having right now. If only they all knew what I was like and how I was viewed back when I was at my other school. I was miserable and lonely so often back then. But now well I think all those early years of derision and exclusion and suppressing my natural personality built up to the point of now needing to totally let go and have fun and laughs.

I don't say all this to praise myself at all and I am not trying to say I am some funny comedian type, to the contrary I'm not. I am still down deep that shy insecure little boy in so many ways and need to feel comfortable and feel that I am with friends for me to open up and be myself. Some scars never leave you. But I say all this to highlight how damaging exclusion can be. It was the main thing that most of my young school mates would do to me. It was that silent bigotry against me. Only the few would actually pick on me or bully me directly. Also I was a fairly strong kid, so not many would actually want to pick an actual physical fight with me. So they would just ignore me and only call me names if I wanted to join in and be part of what they were be doing. So I quickly learnt to be by myself.

It's not about breaking the law mate and shows how little you know of what is really going on under the surface. Bigotry has many faces. Silence is a major one that keeps it percolating along and hidden, but it is there. You may think that I too am bullying these people for their beliefs. Sure I might be in some way, but calling out bigotry no matter how religious it is can't be a bad thing surely? I mean we aren't saying you can't be part of our club or group or anything like that. In fact we are saying we want you to join in and be part of the whole group and no one should be excluded at all.

 

[Snoochies]

Subtle and standing down from your profession bigotry is still damaging and destructive behaviour. If you think I am bullying bigots for being bigots, sure believe what you like.

I used to be bullied from kindergarten to 6 class because we were poor and it showed because I was wearing op shop second hand school uniforms that were not of my actual school and we lived in a very old and almost dilapidated house in the eastern suburbs. My class mates (the girls were even worse the the boys at times) for example used to stop and hold their noses before running fast across to pass our house. Then stop and walk normally again. I was excluded from almost everything and had very few friends because of prejudice. As we all know kids can be cruel at that age and once you are labeled it is very, very hard to change that perspective. It was like a stigma that would not go away and kids didn't want to hang with me. So I was a very shy young boy that just kept to myself in those early school years and it was very hard to make friends. I would just play imaginary games with myself a hell of a lot.

But when I got to high school mostly no one knew me and the kids would talk to me and treat me normally. In no time I started to find my voice and I became a different person and really opened up personality wise. I started to participate and started to play organised sports which made me even more confident. My confidence shot through the roof actually. I made so many mates that by year 10 I was one of the most popular kid in the whole school of around 1300 kids. In year 11 and 12 virtually all the kids in every grade knew me by name even if I didn't know them. I couldn't go anywhere without someone greeting me or stopping me for a chat. It felt great.

My teaches not all, but most loved me. I was a clown, I couldn't stop myself. One time I remember my English teacher and the overall English master who was a very old school fuddy-duddy type stopped the class after I said something that cracked him up and the class and announced that in all his years as a teacher he had never met anyone quite like me and that I bring a welcome and humorous distraction to the class. I remember this because right then I remember thinking to myself wow, what a different experience to life I am having right now. If only they all knew what I was like and how I was viewed back when I was at my other school. I was miserable and lonely so often back then. But now well I think all those early years of derision and exclusion and suppressing my natural personality built up to the point of now needing to totally let go and have fun and laughs.

I don't say all this to praise myself at all and I am not trying to say I am some funny comedian type, to the contrary I'm not. I am still down deep that shy insecure little boy in so many ways and need to feel comfortable and feel that I am with friends for me to open up and be myself. Some scars never leave you. But I say all this to highlight how damaging exclusion can be. It was the main thing that most of my young school mates would do to me. It was that silent bigotry against me. Only the few would actually pick on me or bully me directly. Also I was a fairly strong kid, so not many would actually want to pick an actual physical fight with me. So they would just ignore me and only call me names if I wanted to join in and be part of what they were be doing. So I quickly learnt to be by myself.

It's not about breaking the law mate and shows how little you know of what is really going on under the surface. Bigotry has many faces. Silence is a major one that keeps it percolating along and hidden, but it is there. You may think that I too am bullying these people for their beliefs. Sure I might be in some way, but calling out bigotry no matter how religious it is can't be a bad thing surely? I mean we aren't saying you can't be part of our club or group or anything like that. In fact we are saying we want you to join in and be part of the whole group and no one should be excluded at all.

Mate I was very similar throughout school except the bullying lasted throughout all my school years to the point I was suicidal. I was an atheist and extreme anti-theist also, I hated Christians with a passion, especially after a girlfriend I had went and slept with one of my mates. When I was at my lowest point at my life and ready do end it I cried out to a god I didn't really believe in and something I had never felt..I guess you could say it was a loving presence washed over me and for the first time in my life I felt accepted. I tried to rationalise it away but decided to step into a Church, a place I never thought I'd go into and it happened all over again, I couldn't explain it, it changed my life at that moment. I was on anti depressants at the time, had depression with bi-polar episodes. All that is history for me now, life has been a complete 180. I copped it from my friends when I converted, I copped it from my friends for not having sex til marriage, I copped from alot of people just because I stopped doing some things I use to do. It doesn't make me angry, I still love em, I can accept people live differently to me and that's cool. We've reached a point where we'd rather shout than talk and listen. Anyway, thats my story.

Sorry for derailing thread yet again. We do have another thread going Ram. Better to take this over there instead.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It's not about breaking the law mate and shows how little you know of what is really going on under the surface. Bigotry has many faces. Silence is a major one that keeps it percolating along and hidden, but it is there. You may think that I too am bullying these people for their beliefs. Sure I might be in some way, but calling out bigotry no matter how religious it is can't be a bad thing surely? I mean we aren't saying you can't be part of our club or group or anything like that. In fact we are saying we want you to join in and be part of the whole group and no one should be excluded at all.

Everybody is excluded by someone mate. Likewise we all have our own list of people and ideas we don't want to have to swallow. You're no different. It's not enough for the Manly players not to discriminate against LGBTetc but now you expect them to actively express support for it as well, and if they don't you feel entitled to exclude and bully them. How do you feel about Muslims refusing to support this stuff? Or is it only socially acceptable to bully Christians?

 

[TheRam]

Mate I was very similar throughout school except the bullying lasted throughout all my school years to the point I was suicidal. I was an atheist and extreme anti-theist also, I hated Christians with a passion, especially after a girlfriend I had went and slept with one of my mates. When I was at my lowest point at my life and ready do end it I cried out to a god I didn't really believe in and something I had never felt..I guess you could say it was a loving presence washed over me and for the first time in my life I felt accepted. I tried to rationalise it away but decided to step into a Church, a place I never thought I'd go into and it happened all over again, I couldn't explain it, it changed my life at that moment. I was on anti depressants at the time, had depression with bi-polar episodes. All that is history for me now, life has been a complete 180. I copped it from my friends when I converted, I copped it from my friends for not having sex til marriage, I copped from alot of people just because I stopped doing some things I use to do. It doesn't make me angry, I still love em, I can accept people live differently to me and that's cool. We've reached a point where we'd rather shout than talk and listen. Anyway, thats my story.

Sorry for derailing thread yet again. We do have another thread going Ram. Better to take this over there instead.

You were on drugs you say? Ah ha.

Just kidding. Yes we accept meaning and happiness wherever we can find it. For you it was religion. Form me it was simply people that accepted me. The point is bigotry should have no place in our society no matter from where it is coming from.

But I am glad you have found peace mate and doing so much better, especially not needing those terrible drugs.

 

[Snoochies]

You were on drugs you say? Ah ha.

Just kidding. Yes we accept meaning and happiness wherever we can find it. For you it was religion. Form me it was simply people that accepted me. The point is bigotry should have no place in our society no matter from where it is coming from.

But I am glad you have found peace mate and doing so much better, especially not needing those terrible drugs.

I guess that's what I came to realise, my value cant be dependent on what others think of me, if it is, then I'm only what you say I am.

 

[TheRam]

Everybody is excluded by someone mate. Likewise we all have our own list of people and ideas we don't want to have to swallow. You're no different. It's not enough for the Manly players not to discriminate against LGBTetc but now you expect them to actively express support for it as well, and if they don't you feel entitled to exclude and bully them. How do you feel about Muslims refusing to support this stuff? Or is it only socially acceptable to bully Christians?

As I said before I don't think we should have any of this sort of stuff in sport at all to start with, because of what has actually happened here with this Manly thing. But since they brought it on themselves, now they are free game to all these views whether they or you like it or not. They brought it to a public forum and people are now, like me and you, going to discuss it. But I don't like any type of potentially explosive political or social stance to be made part of sport. We all watch sport to escape this sort of stuff.

As for Islam, don't start me on that. I think I would be band off this site if I was to express my views on that often oppressive faith.

 

[Rocket man]

Subtle and standing down from your profession bigotry is still damaging and destructive behaviour. If you think I am bullying bigots for being bigots, sure believe what you like.

I used to be bullied from kindergarten to 6 class because we were poor and it showed because I was wearing op shop second hand school uniforms that were not of my actual school and we lived in a very old and almost dilapidated house in the eastern suburbs. My class mates (the girls were even worse the the boys at times) for example used to stop and hold their noses before running fast across to pass our house. Then stop and walk normally again. I was excluded from almost everything and had very few friends because of prejudice. As we all know kids can be cruel at that age and once you are labeled it is very, very hard to change that perspective. It was like a stigma that would not go away and kids didn't want to hang with me. So I was a very shy young boy that just kept to myself in those early school years and it was very hard to make friends. I would just play imaginary games with myself a hell of a lot.

But when I got to high school mostly no one knew me and the kids would talk to me and treat me normally. In no time I started to find my voice and I became a different person and really opened up personality wise. I started to participate and started to play organised sports which made me even more confident. My confidence shot through the roof actually. I made so many mates that by year 10 I was one of the most popular kid in the whole school of around 1300 kids. In year 11 and 12 virtually all the kids in every grade knew me by name even if I didn't know them. I couldn't go anywhere without someone greeting me or stopping me for a chat. It felt great.

My teaches not all, but most loved me. I was a clown, I couldn't stop myself. One time I remember my English teacher and the overall English master who was a very old school fuddy-duddy type stopped the class after I said something that cracked him up and the class and announced that in all his years as a teacher he had never met anyone quite like me and that I bring a welcome and humorous distraction to the class. I remember this because right then I remember thinking to myself wow, what a different experience to life I am having right now. If only they all knew what I was like and how I was viewed back when I was at my other school. I was miserable and lonely so often back then. But now well I think all those early years of derision and exclusion and suppressing my natural personality built up to the point of now needing to totally let go and have fun and laughs.

I don't say all this to praise myself at all and I am not trying to say I am some funny comedian type, to the contrary I'm not. I am still down deep that shy insecure little boy in so many ways and need to feel comfortable and feel that I am with friends for me to open up and be myself. Some scars never leave you. But I say all this to highlight how damaging exclusion can be. It was the main thing that most of my young school mates would do to me. It was that silent bigotry against me. Only the few would actually pick on me or bully me directly. Also I was a fairly strong kid, so not many would actually want to pick an actual physical fight with me. So they would just ignore me and only call me names if I wanted to join in and be part of what they were be doing. So I quickly learnt to be by myself.

It's not about breaking the law mate and shows how little you know of what is really going on under the surface. Bigotry has many faces. Silence is a major one that keeps it percolating along and hidden, but it is there. You may think that I too am bullying these people for their beliefs. Sure I might be in some way, but calling out bigotry no matter how religious it is can't be a bad thing surely? I mean we aren't saying you can't be part of our club or group or anything like that. In fact we are saying we want you to join in and be part of the whole group and no one should be excluded at all.

I had a similar experience as we were not well off.
1 of 14 children. I can remember getting new clothing once.
Unfortunately, children can be cruel.
Where do they learn it from?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It's human nature. Cruel children need to unlearn cruelty and all these other uncivilised traits that are naturally part of the human animal. Going against nature is what makes us human beings instead of just mammals.

 

[TheRam]

I had a similar experience as we were not well off.
1 of 14 children. I can remember getting new clothing once.
Unfortunately, children can be cruel.
Where do they learn it from?

Who knows? There could be many reasons for it, from relatives, to media to their own personalities that haven't been corrected or guided gently but strongly away from anti social behaviour when witnessed. There are many reasons kids or people do the negative things they do to others. The hope is that there are enough strong and fair minded people among us that can ultimately minimise those prejudices that are in particular institutionalised and supposedly untouchable. The world can only be a better place for it.

 

[TheRam]

It's human nature. Cruel children need to unlearn cruelty and all these other uncivilised traits that are naturally part of the human animal. Going against nature is what makes us human beings instead of just mammals.

We are also very naturally companionate as a species. We just need to bring that part of our nature out more then the cruel side. That side was probably more useful in days of old when the world was a lot more uncivilised and you needed to be hard to survive and there are many legacies left over from that.

We should make it way more rewarding to be kind and accepting of everyone and less so if you choose to be a anti social. Of course that is slowly happening, but there is still a way to go. Live and let live for whoever has the same philosophy.

 

[Eelementary]

That's dependent upon dialect.

The majority of south american countries do pronounce a "j" sound as a "h". For instance:

Javier - Ha-vee-air

Jamon - Ha-mon

Milojas - Mi-lo-has

No, they don't - it's just that it's pronounced more lazily and/or subtlely.

Btw it's "Mil hojas"

 

[Rocket man]

Subtle and standing down from your profession bigotry is still damaging and destructive behaviour. If you think I am bullying bigots for being bigots, sure believe what you like.

I used to be bullied from kindergarten to 6 class because we were poor and it showed because I was wearing op shop second hand school uniforms that were not of my actual school and we lived in a very old and almost dilapidated house in the eastern suburbs. My class mates (the girls were even worse the the boys at times) for example used to stop and hold their noses before running fast across to pass our house. Then stop and walk normally again. I was excluded from almost everything and had very few friends because of prejudice. As we all know kids can be cruel at that age and once you are labeled it is very, very hard to change that perspective. It was like a stigma that would not go away and kids didn't want to hang with me. So I was a very shy young boy that just kept to myself in those early school years and it was very hard to make friends. I would just play imaginary games with myself a hell of a lot.

But when I got to high school mostly no one knew me and the kids would talk to me and treat me normally. In no time I started to find my voice and I became a different person and really opened up personality wise. I started to participate and started to play organised sports which made me even more confident. My confidence shot through the roof actually. I made so many mates that by year 10 I was one of the most popular kid in the whole school of around 1300 kids. In year 11 and 12 virtually all the kids in every grade knew me by name even if I didn't know them. I couldn't go anywhere without someone greeting me or stopping me for a chat. It felt great.

My teaches not all, but most loved me. I was a clown, I couldn't stop myself. One time I remember my English teacher and the overall English master who was a very old school fuddy-duddy type stopped the class after I said something that cracked him up and the class and announced that in all his years as a teacher he had never met anyone quite like me and that I bring a welcome and humorous distraction to the class. I remember this because right then I remember thinking to myself wow, what a different experience to life I am having right now. If only they all knew what I was like and how I was viewed back when I was at my other school. I was miserable and lonely so often back then. But now well I think all those early years of derision and exclusion and suppressing my natural personality built up to the point of now needing to totally let go and have fun and laughs.

I don't say all this to praise myself at all and I am not trying to say I am some funny comedian type, to the contrary I'm not. I am still down deep that shy insecure little boy in so many ways and need to feel comfortable and feel that I am with friends for me to open up and be myself. Some scars never leave you. But I say all this to highlight how damaging exclusion can be. It was the main thing that most of my young school mates would do to me. It was that silent bigotry against me. Only the few would actually pick on me or bully me directly. Also I was a fairly strong kid, so not many would actually want to pick an actual physical fight with me. So they would just ignore me and only call me names if I wanted to join in and be part of what they were be doing. So I quickly learnt to be by myself.

It's not about breaking the law mate and shows how little you know of what is really going on under the surface. Bigotry has many faces. Silence is a major one that keeps it percolating along and hidden, but it is there. You may think that I too am bullying these people for their beliefs. Sure I might be in some way, but calling out bigotry no matter how religious it is can't be a bad thing surely? I mean we aren't saying you can't be part of our club or group or anything like that. In fact we are saying we want you to join in and be part of the whole group and no one should be excluded at all.

You are from the Eastern Suburbs.
How did you come to support Parra?

 

[Avenger]

It's human nature. Cruel children need to unlearn cruelty and all these other uncivilised traits that are naturally part of the human animal. Going against nature is what makes us human beings instead of just mammals.

Which is why God killed off the dinosaurs because during their existence they did nothing but eat each other and shit in open view. There was no progress.

With Humans it was a different story. Not only do we use toilets, we also usually don’t bend over our sister and we make stuff like cars, skyscrapers and iPhones.

 

[eels_fan]

No, they don't - it's just that it's pronounced more lazily and/or subtlely.

Btw it's "Mil hojas"

Well 17 years married to a Uruguayan and spending time with her family (who have since become mine) and friends has taught me different.
I made a typo - meant to type “Milhojas” where the h is silent (hence why I forgot it haha) , and the J is pronounced as a h. Mil-o-has