Rumours and Stuff

[emjaycee]

But how is the proposal stopping the process you propose?

Given that you can't buy loyalty, you can still give clubs an incentive to keep an old warhorse around if he is salary cap free, rather than make that painful decision to pay a younger bloke the salary and start moving forward. As it stands, unless a senior player is willing to take a significant paycut, the incentive for the clubs is quite low, and the clubs that WANT to be loyal will end up shooting themselves in the foot by wasting precious cap space on vets who don't produce the same value as spending the money elsewhere might.

By being salary cap free, the player has no need to show loyalty to the club and will expect the club to pay them the same or near enough to, as it is 'cap free'. The poorer clubs may get an exemption from the cap but they still need to find the money from somewhere.

My issue is that the clubs AND the players need to reward the loyalty, not just expect the clubs to foot the bill.

 

[Stevie]

So for those in the know here. Do we think that the Eels are done for the season re recruiting? Looking at the photos on the website the "squad" looks seriously huge! I have actually changed my opinion on the halves, I think we are OK. To partner Norman I think Guth will be good as he is a real footy player. I do however, even though he hasn't played NRL, that Fogarty will push for an NRL spot somehow.
Also I notice that Barnes kid training with the squad in all the wrestle drills.
I never can remember so many quality players in the Parra squad?! With all the talent in the forwards I feel like BA is going to pick a hooker for the 80 minutes.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

But how is the proposal stopping the process you propose?

Given that you can't buy loyalty, you can still give clubs an incentive to keep an old warhorse around if he is salary cap free, rather than make that painful decision to pay a younger bloke the salary and start moving forward. As it stands, unless a senior player is willing to take a significant paycut, the incentive for the clubs is quite low, and the clubs that WANT to be loyal will end up shooting themselves in the foot by wasting precious cap space on vets who don't produce the same value as spending the money elsewhere might.

Agreed. It's just a bit rich to call any of it loyalty.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So for those in the know here. Do we think that the Eels are done for the season re recruiting? Looking at the photos on the website the "squad" looks seriously huge! I have actually changed my opinion on the halves, I think we are OK. To partner Norman I think Guth will be good as he is a real footy player. I do however, even though he hasn't played NRL, that Fogarty will push for an NRL spot somehow.
Also I notice that Barnes kid training with the squad in all the wrestle drills.
I never can remember so many quality players in the Parra squad?! With all the talent in the forwards I feel like BA is going to pick a hooker for the 80 minutes.

Which one was Barnes? Was he wearing a number in the video?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Bullshit.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

lol

its always the other guy that has missed the point with you

clubs want a discount for investing many years into their juniors and deem it a loyalty bonus or what ever you'd like to call it and some players just dont want to play against their own club and that is the point, its not complicated

or shall I contact the NRLPA and tell them their players are wrong

lol

As usual you're too stupid to try and twist my words. This is about getting more money into the hands of players - any increase in the cap, or anything exempt from the cap not only goes into the hands of the receiving players, but frees up cap space for other players. So of course the NRLPA aren't wrong - their job is to get more money out of whoever will pay.

But they're wrong to go whinging about loyalty. That's just a smokescreen to hide the fact that this is about greed. I've got no problem with it but plenty of fans do.

 

[Gronk]

 

[TheRon]

Jarryd Hayne had full support of Parramatta as well..

Taumalolo to NFL!
Taumalolo to NFL!
Taumalolo to NFL!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Can't the NRL find some more cash to help him be loyal?

 

[Stevie]

Which one was Barnes? Was he wearing a number in the video?

Pou he is wearing 13 in those wrestling drills. He is also pictures in the latest photos. For some reason when I saw schoolboy I thought he'd be a runt but he looked plenty strong enough for a half physically. I don't think he will be long in 21's before they want to test him against men in Wenty.

 

[oldmancraigy]

By being salary cap free, the player has no need to show loyalty to the club and will expect the club to pay them the same or near enough to, as it is 'cap free'. The poorer clubs may get an exemption from the cap but they still need to find the money from somewhere.

My issue is that the clubs AND the players need to reward the loyalty, not just expect the clubs to foot the bill.

But you can't begrudge a bloke his 'last big payday' can you?
Most of them will never again earn the kind of cash they can earn during their playing years - sure, its fine for a Hindmarsh or a Lockyer to be loyal and take less if they have something teed up in retirement.

I think your interpretation of loyalty is 'get paid peanuts'. That's not at all what loyalty is? Loyalty is wanting to stay with the same club, and perhaps even taking less to do so. HOWEVER, to do that under the current system can become very difficult when it is the last payday....

Example:
A player has been with a club since he was 18, he is now 30, and wanting to sign a last 3 year deal. His best days are past, was once an fringe Origin player, certainly still has a lot left to offer a club, but isn't the $450k player he once was. More like a $100k guy now - good vet to have around, not someone who is in the conversation for man of the match much anymore.
Last seasons wooden spooners need a 'name', they are willing to throw $250k at this guy to get a profile player, and to attract other name players to the club.
The guy has had a long career, wants to end it at his original club, but has 2 kids and there is $750k on the table for a 3 year stint, or $300k.

Taking a big payday doesn't mean he isn't still a fan of his original club - he may well end up being a club legend and getting involved with them in some way. Still LOYAL to them, but give the guy a break, he needs to earn some money for his family while his body holds out.

He goes to the club in tears, 'I wanna stay' - the fans are irate 'he is our just above average first grader, and we love him, pay him!' - what do they do??

The proposal put forward is good - doesn't force the poor bloke to screw himself NOR does it force the club to screw him over. What is more, it enables them to build loyalty and culture and a desire to stay at a club long term. It's worth it!

 

[oldmancraigy]

Agreed. It's just a bit rich to call any of it loyalty.

Is it a 'strong feeling of support' then??

 

[hindy111]

Just saw James Tamou at the local shops with partner. He crush her.
I be honest I never have rated this guy? Just a big lumber jack

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

My problem with the RLPA proposal is that it does not obviously relate to either of the stated aims of the salary cap: 1) to constrain total expenditure and 2) to distribute talent. In practice, it's a salary cap free kick for successful teams (as they are the ones most likely to have 10 year+ veterans).

I don't actually think it gives the players any special bargaining power....coz the player's next best option is whatever some other club will pay and that doesn't change.

 

[strider]

It gives the players the power to not settle for a paycut if they really wanna stay

I think its just another way for the RLPA to score more money for players .... spare me the loyalty blah blah blah cover up

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

It gives the players the power to not settle for a paycut if they really wanna stay

I think its just another way for the RLPA to score more money for players .... spare me the loyalty blah blah blah cover up

And hence it goes against one of the stated purposes of the cap.

 

[El Diablo]

Just saw James Tamou at the local shops with partner. He crush her.
I be honest I never have rated this guy? Just a big lumber jack

why are you always stalking Penrith players?

 

[hindy111]

why are you always stalking Penrith players?

I live out here and chances are I see more of them......

We just had 3 pages on Ponga - A guy with 2 nrl games - Carry on el dickflop

 

[emjaycee]

But you can't begrudge a bloke his 'last big payday' can you?
Most of them will never again earn the kind of cash they can earn during their playing years - sure, its fine for a Hindmarsh or a Lockyer to be loyal and take less if they have something teed up in retirement.

I think your interpretation of loyalty is 'get paid peanuts'. That's not at all what loyalty is? Loyalty is wanting to stay with the same club, and perhaps even taking less to do so. HOWEVER, to do that under the current system can become very difficult when it is the last payday....

Example:
A player has been with a club since he was 18, he is now 30, and wanting to sign a last 3 year deal. His best days are past, was once an fringe Origin player, certainly still has a lot left to offer a club, but isn't the $450k player he once was. More like a $100k guy now - good vet to have around, not someone who is in the conversation for man of the match much anymore.
Last seasons wooden spooners need a 'name', they are willing to throw $250k at this guy to get a profile player, and to attract other name players to the club.
The guy has had a long career, wants to end it at his original club, but has 2 kids and there is $750k on the table for a 3 year stint, or $300k.

Taking a big payday doesn't mean he isn't still a fan of his original club - he may well end up being a club legend and getting involved with them in some way. Still LOYAL to them, but give the guy a break, he needs to earn some money for his family while his body holds out.

He goes to the club in tears, 'I wanna stay' - the fans are irate 'he is our just above average first grader, and we love him, pay him!' - what do they do??

The proposal put forward is good - doesn't force the poor bloke to screw himself NOR does it force the club to screw him over. What is more, it enables them to build loyalty and culture and a desire to stay at a club long term. It's worth it!

Begrudge them their last payday - no.
Begrudge them their last BIG payday - for sure.
And I don't expect them to accept peanuts for their last contract years, just recognise that the loyalty they are asking for from the club(s) comes at a cost to them as well.

Before this proposal imagine if Bellamy says to Cronk, "your last contract is going to be $500k +$400k +$300k because in 3 years time you will be 36 and probably won't be playing first grade as much." Cronk says "no way, I am on $600k now and I want that for the last 3 years, it is my last chance to earn".
If St. George then stepped in and offer him 3 years @ $550k per year he would probably take it.

In the new scenario, Melbourne can just cough up the $600k he wants (cause they are loyal) and put near to nothing on the Cap so he stays 'loyal" to them. Where was Cronk's loyalty again - that's right, in his wallet.

 

[hindy111]

Going off Photos Uelsai looks fitter then I have ever seen - A lot more muscle on his frame