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gaffer

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Poupou Escobar

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Oh so you do admit the coach is sh*t. We won't be making the eight. Finally. Your mask is slipping.
WTF are you on about? Most teams are good enough to make the eight. Not all of them can though, so the ones who do will be the ones with the most luck.

Or do you think the coach is responsible for our top eight finishes in recent years?
 

King-Gutho94

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Can we not have anymore milestones last weekend it was Matto and 150 games enough we lose them all!
BA breaks Brian Smith games record as coach in a few weeks on Kings Birthday public holiday against Dogs.

I am sure we will chase the collision and front load our efforts for the occasion.

After last year's debacle it couldn't get any worse then that.
 

Poupou Escobar

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You are amazing. You don't ever think we have enough money in the kitty to sign quality
No I think if we don't re-sign Moses we'll have heaps of cap space for 2024, and even if we do keep Moses we'll have plenty for 2025:

2025 Eels
1. Gutherson
2. Sivo
3. Russell
4. Penisini
5. Dunster
6. Brown
7. Moses (if we keep him)
8. Campbell-Gillard
9. Hands
10. Paulo
11. Lane
12. Mataele
13. Hopgood
14.
15.
16. Matterson
17.

That's all we have on the books for 2025, and some of those blokes (Russell, Dunster, Hands, Mataele) would be pretty cheap.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Imagine NOT MAKING THE TOP 8 with this squad.
We have one of the best and most experienced spine in the competition. Two of the best props. A gun 2nd rower, One of the best locks in game.
It would be a HUGE FAILURE
All those current Origin players. Massive failure
 

Poupou Escobar

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You lose games because of the tackles you miss (or don't even get into a position to make), not because of the ones you make.
On the edges yes, but not in the middle. Making first contact and bouncing off a merkin but slowing him for other defenders is better than not attempting the tackle at all.

In the middle it’s all about tackles per minute, because the higher that is, the more often you’re getting numbers into the tackle (front loading your efforts) instead of taking a breather jogging back into the defensive line while you watch your mates try to stop an offload or wrestle a merkin to the ground.
 

lucablight

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All those current Origin players. Massive failure
This is a bad argument because you’re reducing players to origin players and non origin players like non origin players are automatically worth less. For example Luai is a current origin player but I’d rather have Dylan Brown or Nicho Hynes ahead of him any day. Take a look at what we have instead of reducing things to such overly simplistic metrics.
 

Poupou Escobar

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This is a bad argument because you’re reducing players to origin players and non origin players like non origin players are automatically worth less. For example Luai is a current origin player but I’d rather have Dylan Brown or Nicho Hynes ahead of him any day. Take a look at what we have instead of reducing things to such overly simplistic metrics.
Well Penrith also have James Fisher-Harris, who is ineligible for Origin, plus Kikau in previous years, so it all comes out in the wash. They had those two PLUS all the Origin players. Plus Dylan Edwards and whomever else wouldn't be out of place in an Origin jersey. Just because they had a bunch of Origin players doesn't mean they didn't also have merkins who were good-enough-but-ineligible (like Drown) or good-enough-if-lucky (like Gutherson). The head count of Origin players just reflects the reality.
 

lucablight

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Well Penrith also have James Fisher-Harris, who is ineligible for Origin, plus Kikau in previous years, so it all comes out in the wash. They had those two PLUS all the Origin players. Plus Dylan Edwards and whomever else wouldn't be out of place in an Origin jersey. Just because they had a bunch of Origin players doesn't mean they didn't also have merkins who were good-enough-but-ineligible (like Drown) or good-enough-if-lucky (like Gutherson). The head count of Origin players just reflects the reality.
So you agree that the number of origin players shouldn’t be used as the sole metric when commenting on the quality of a teams roster? There’s a reason we had to let go of so many players last season to keep this current roster. Not making the finals with this roster would be a massive failure.
 

Poupou Escobar

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So you agree that the number of origin players shouldn’t be used as the sole metric when commenting on the quality of a teams roster?
What other metric can you offer other than your subjective opinion? Number of Origin players is a great heuristic. Another is pre-season premiership odds.
There’s a reason we had to let go of so many players last season to keep this current roster.
Yes, they came off contract and would no longer be on unders. Replacing them with other players on unders isn't something you can reliably do just by going to market. Mahoney, Kaufusi and Niukore were on unders because we developed them over multiple years. Hopgood is a decent acquisition comparable to Papali'i but the others are journeymen or youngsters who require the development afforded to Mahoney et al.
Not making the finals with this roster would be a massive failure.
I think an average amount of luck would see us finish in the bottom of the eight, while an above average amount would be top four. Therefore a below average amount of luck quite easily includes missing the eight. IMO of course.
 
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chiefy1

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Imagine NOT MAKING THE TOP 8 with this squad.
We have one of the best and most experienced spine in the competition. Two of the best props. A gun 2nd rower, One of the best locks in game.
It would be a HUGE FAILURE

Its the coach who has the problem.
 

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