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When a team shifts the ball on the third tackle it doesn't mean they decided going up the middle on earlier tackles was a bad idea. It was all part of the plan.
Possibly. It could also be because someone with a clue realised that there was merit in doing something differently and wasn't scared to make the change. e.g. In this analogy, shifting the ball on the third tackle where the previous set had them simply going up the middle for five tackles with no positive outcome (bad idea).
 

IFR33K

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He was at the standard required to be a backup half. Our win rate with him in the team (compared to without him) proves that. Now the fact some other club has signed him proves it further.


he had no bearing on any games we won. (Except maybe manly game). And being a back up half means he should have learnt his trade in reserves. It didn’t mean he was an nrl standard utility
 

Homo man69

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Opening the doors for Ethan Sanders maybe?
Remember Guth contract end 2025. It might be a case of Dylan going to Fullback for 1 or 2 years untill Moses is gone. I highly doubt we sign Gutherson any longer. The SG BALL squad will produce atleast 3 or 4 NRL players.
Sanders and Blaze are definitely going to be solid first graders. Both can play as utility backs with preferred positions. Unfortunately Arthur lacked the "X factor", He could kick and pass but that's about it. The poor kid was under a lot of pressure and this was the right move
 

Poupou Escobar

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Possibly. It could also be because someone with a clue realised that there was merit in doing something differently and wasn't scared to make the change. e.g. In this analogy, shifting the ball on the third tackle where the previous set had them simply going up the middle for five tackles with no positive outcome (bad idea).
So where's the evidence that half a season off the bench was bad for Jake Arthur's (or anyone else's) development? What exactly was his dad/coach backtracking from? There is evidence that the same step early in other players' careers didn't hurt their development. Why are you convinced it hurt Jake Arthur's? Because his coach decided to give him some different experience this year? It's not exactly conclusive.
 
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So where's the evidence that half a season off the bench was bad for Jake Arthur's (or anyone else's) development? What exactly was his dad/coach backtracking from? There is evidence that the same step early in other players' careers didn't hurt their development. Why are you convinced it hurt Jake Arthur's? Because his coach decided to give him some different experience this year? It's not exactly conclusive.
Ffs. Arthur Sr used Arthur Jr how he sought fit in 2022, and at the end of 2022 Arthur Sr publicly indicated that he would use Jr differently in 2023. Are you claiming Arthur Sr suddenly changed/lessened his interest in his own player's/son's development at that point?

If not, what's so hard to accept about a "never-wrong" authority figure having reflected that an alternative approach is more desirable, and publicly holding himself accountable and committing themself to that change in course?

[Insert your reply containing irrelevent nonsense about Cooper Cronk here.]
 

Poupou Escobar

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Ffs. Arthur Sr used Arthur Jr how he sought fit in 2022, and at the end of 2022 Arthur Sr publicly indicated that he would use Jr differently in 2023.
Right. He didn't say anything about NRL exposure off the bench harming his development last year. That's a detail you made up.
Are you claiming Arthur Sr suddenly changed/lessened his interest in his own player's/son's development at that point?
I think we agree that he has always been interested in his son's development.
If not, what's so hard to accept about a "never-wrong" authority figure having reflected that an alternative approach is more desirable, and publicly holding himself accountable and committing themself to that change in course?
What is hard to accept is your implication that there was any evidence that playing limited minutes off the bench for half a season hurt the player's development. It is a fairly common experience for many young players. I think you're overstating the value of 80 minutes in reserve grade compared to the dozens of hours of work that goes into preparing for an NRL match each week. They will both have their benefits. Given Arthur's 2023 form in reserve grade it looks like last year's NRL exposure has benefitted his development. However, the fact is we have no way to know whether he would've developed even more if he'd spent the second half of 2022 in reserve grade instead of on the bench for the NRL team. We have no way of knowing, and only a fool would pretend otherwise.

I suspect that, from a development perspective, coming off the bench in first grade has diminishing returns. Like most things. So it makes sense that he is now playing more 80 minute games in a less intense competition, against weaker opponents. There's no need for your supercilious, masturbatory narratives of other people's failures.
[Insert your reply containing irrelevent nonsense about Cooper Cronk here.]
Case studies are irrelevant now? You really are a man of science.
 

hineyrulz

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Sounds like we've got a "source"-off.... Let's see how it plays out...
Is it like a dance off?? I’m so in!!

Dance Off Chris Pratt GIF
 

Avenger

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Despite what people may think of him there is no way we’d be letting Jake Arthur go without a viable replacement. I reckon the Connor Tracey rumour has legs.
 

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