Rumours and Stuff

[JokerEel]

Flegg!

I knew that and still wrote from JA

 

[Tiger5150]

My source is reliable, last I heard it was happening either this week or next, unless we are trying to lowball like the Taupau situation

My source is telling me that it didnt happen last week. My source is almost always reliable.

 

[Gazzamatta]

I knew that and still wrote from JA

Sorry. I missed the Joke, Joker!

 

[Gazzamatta]

If Simmonson is a better centre than winger (which I think he clearly is), is he a better winger than Russell at this stage?

If yes, Tracey if we get him, pushes Superman to the wing and plays centre.

Probably wont happen but I reckon Tracey is the X Factor at 14. To accomodate this either Hodgo or Hands play 80. Who would you pick?

 

[emjaycee]

well if ja was the only back up half, the question needs to be asked, why? No genuine half and no genuine utility. But let’s make a role for him in the side.

blind Freddy could see what was happening.

Agree 100%, but that situation was made worse with Rankin's decision to not travel post Covid lockdown.

Still not a position the club should have let itself get into. Totally unacceptable IMHO.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Surely they must of known the backlash from fans if he played poorly and we lost considering his Dads the coach.

Any given team will play worse when they have a backup half on the field because it means one of their starters is missing. So anyone blaming a backup half on their team playing worse than if the team was at full strength is showing they don't understand the game. We won half our games with Jake Arthur starting last year. That's not bad considering we won 16 from 24 (67%) without him.

Penrith only lost four games last year and three of them were when O'Sullivan started. They were 73% with him and 94% without him ffs

 

[JokerEel]

Sorry. I missed the Joke, Joker!

No jokes just a F up on my behalf

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So now need to cover fullback more cap space.

Fullback is easier to cover because you can just stick someone there who can cover kicks, and put more playmaking responsibility on the halves.

The point of backups is that their first responsibility is to hold their own in defence. They aren't expected to come in and be attacking stars because there should be enough talent already in the top 17. If you need a big play after a quick play-the-ball you don't give the ball to the backup half, you give it to one of the stars who plays every week.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

100%. I think the kid has made the right decision for his long term career.
I said last year he shouldn’t be on the bench. This year was different because he was a backup and used as such.

They way he was used on the bench was as a backup, because we didn't have 17 players we could rely on to make an impact.

 

[the phantom menace]

Well just like how Cronk played half a season coming off the bench in first grade, Jake Arthur received the same benefit. There’s no admission for Arthur to make. Maybe more than half a season is too much, but certainly half a season didn’t hurt Cronk, so your assertion that it was bad for Jake Arthur’s development is baseless, much like all the other facts you’ve made up.

Coach (also father) makes decision in best interest of player's future development.
One random forummer supports coach's decision.

Other random/contrary forummer supports coach's previous decision that coach has moved away from, just to be argumentative.
First forummer offers other forummer a turnip...

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Talking about at NSW Cup if Asi is now out cup Halfback we will need to sign a fullback for cup.

We signed The Sharks player which is an upgrade on JA but will cost more to our cap.

The point of NSW Cup is that nobody gives a f**k about results. That's because half the merkins each week are part-timers. Rankin and Lumelume have both played in the spine and cost nothing on our salary cap because they aren't in the top 30.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The plan was to use/utilize him from round 1. There wasn’t any injuries then.

Yes there were. Sivo, Dunster and Niukore were all unavailable, and we were running out of options in the outside backs. And given Drown's 2021 form, plenty of merkins were calling for him to move to centre where he is well suited. He was an obvious solution to our outside backs crisis.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

More dollars fro Tracey than JA, but you pay more for coverage of FB, Centre, 5/8 & Half when it's all in one pair of boots.

Yep, this is why utility value costs money.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

well there’s a ba interview that says brown trained at centre to accommodate ja. The plan was always to try and inject ja. Regardless is our halves had any niggles.

He trained at centre to cover injuries in the outside backs. If the coach wanted his son starting in the halves every week he would have.

 

[IFR33K]

He trained at centre to cover injuries in the outside backs. If the coach wanted his son starting in the halves every week he would have.

Let’s be thankfully brown exploded in form.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

well if ja was the only back up half, the question needs to be asked, why? No genuine half and no genuine utility. But let’s make a role for him in the side.

blind Freddy could see what was happening.

He was at the standard required to be a backup half. Our win rate with him in the team (compared to without him) proves that. Now the fact some other club has signed him proves it further.

 

[JokerEel]

Yep, this is why utility value costs money.

FFS no wonder our cap is blown.. way too many Utilities and no fullbacks on less money!

 

[the phantom menace]

He was at the standard required to be a backup half. Our win rate with him in the team (compared to without him) proves that. Now the fact some other club has signed him proves it further.

The extraneous variable of Hodgson and his win rate data might have something to say about the faulty conclusion you've drawn above.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Other random/contrary forummer supports coach's previous decision that coach has moved away from

I think you're missing the point. The coach made both of those decisions, and just like Cooper Cronk's development, half a season off the bench wasn't considered harmful to his development. If Jake Arthur spent this year doing the same then it would be more than half a season, wouldn't it? When a team shifts the ball on the third tackle it doesn't mean they decided going up the middle on earlier tackles was a bad idea. It was all part of the plan.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The extraneous variable of Hodgson and his win rate data might have something to say about the faulty conclusion you've drawn above.

Hodgson isn't a backup.