Rumours and Stuff

[Tiger5150]

I think the way it works is that if you have a top 30 contracted player who then leaves the club mid-season, it doesnt mean that spot in the top 30 (for the period they were there) is rescinded and MUST be replaced.
I asked the question of someone in club land when we released Nrown and was basically told that we could replace his position in the top 30, but we were not required to - his contract value would still have placed him in the highest 30 paid players.

It isnt clear to me whether the "Top 30" refers to an upper limit on the number of NRL contracted players, or more simply the 30 players paid the highest amount (and still within the overall cap limit). From what I understood in the past, there was nothing stopping a club having more than 30 players with NRL contracts, but only the highest paid 30 had their value included in the cap .

Its pretty simple. By the first monday in August, you must have 30 players with NRL contracts. not more, not less. Simple, end of story. Clubs have to spend 95% of their salary cap on these 30 players.

 

[Tiger5150]

If true, do you reckon he’s on $275k now? The Tigers have upgraded him twice since he got there ffs

Do you reckon he is worth $275k now? Isnt that the way you develop young players?

 

[Sensei Cobra]

Despite what people may think of him there is no way we’d be letting Jake Arthur go without a viable replacement. I reckon the Connor Tracey rumour has legs.
Youd like to think so … despite all the bullshit. Jake is a capable back up half and we needed him when Moses was injured. Him leaving leaves us with a major gap and you’d assume we have a replacement in play

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Wasn't the big problem with Stefano the fact that he had the shits that we told his brother to retire after he broke his neck?

That’s the sort of thing you say when you just want more money.

 

[emjaycee]

Its pretty simple. By the first monday in August, you must have 30 players with NRL contracts. not more, not less. Simple, end of story. Clubs have to spend 95% of their salary cap on these 30 players.

If someone medically retires after round 3, do they need to be replaced?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

And he asked us for way more than he had (at that stage) proven to be worth.

Also, it’s not spoken about openly very much, because it’s an idea that pits clubs (and fans) against players, but every strong club has a significant portion of its roster playing at a higher level than they are being paid. They are on unders. If you always pay every merkin what he is worth (or more) you will never be in that position and will never win anything.

 

[Noise]

Its pretty simple. By the first monday in August, you must have 30 players with NRL contracts. not more, not less. Simple, end of story. Clubs have to spend 95% of their salary cap on these 30 players.

What if you have to sack a player for an off field incident?

 

[Tiger5150]

That’s the sort of thing you say when you just want more money.

And yet Stefano is at the Tigers and you guys just took Joffa from us. I know who I'd rather in the middle.

 

[Tiger5150]

What if you have to sack a player for an off field incident?

Same thing as if they are injured or suspended.....you suck it up. Dragons got some salary cap relief on De Belin but not dollar for dollar and he remained on the roster.

 

[Tiger5150]

If someone medically retires after round 3, do they need to be replaced?

yes

 

[TheCrowe]

I read a while back that the Dogs signed Reece Hoffman on a bigger contract then Bailey Biondi-Odo effectively taking his place in the top 30 as Bailey had torn his ACL. He still has his contract but he is no longer in the top 30.

 

[eels_fan]

And yet Stefano is at the Tigers and you guys just took Joffa from us. I know who I'd rather in the middle.

Mate if you think Stefano reaches the heights he’s expected to and is happy to never play finals you have rocks in your head. He’ll jump ship quicker than Brooks can stuff up a 4 on 2 overlap…

 

[the phantom menace]

Right. He didn't say anything about NRL exposure off the bench harming his development last year. That's a detail you made up.

I think we agree that he has always been interested in his son's development.

What is hard to accept is your implication that there was any evidence that playing limited minutes off the bench for half a season hurt the player's development. It is a fairly common experience for many young players. I think you're overstating the value of 80 minutes in reserve grade compared to the dozens of hours of work that goes into preparing for an NRL match each week. They will both have their benefits. Given Arthur's 2023 form in reserve grade it looks like last year's NRL exposure has benefitted his development. However, the fact is we have no way to know whether he would've developed even more if he'd spent the second half of 2022 in reserve grade instead of on the bench for the NRL team. We have no way of knowing, and only a fool would pretend otherwise.

I suspect that, from a development perspective, coming off the bench in first grade has diminishing returns. Like most things. So it makes sense that he is now playing more 80 minute games in a less intense competition, against weaker opponents. There's no need for your supercilious, masturbatory narratives of other people's failures.

Case studies are irrelevant now? You really are a man of science.

TL | DR

 

[eels_fan]

Why?

Either way, the NRL signings tracker has him here until 2025.

I’m probably wrong, but I thought it was to provide a level of fairness for the team losing the player.

for instance Ice is on a 3 year deal at $600k, I didn’t think he could go and sign a 1 year deal at Parra for instance - I thought there had to be parity in terms.

 

[84 Baby]

If someone medically retires after round 3, do they need to be replaced?

What if you have to sack a player for an off field incident?

I think given old mate 5150 is so tight with the Tigers board, just say yep definitely got to have 30 players all contracted up by August

 

[JokerEel]

Last year we had 29 players in our squad on the 1st Monday in August..

FFS MON learn to count!

 

[King-Gutho94]

I think given old mate 5150 is so tight with the Tigers board, just say yep definitely got to have 30 players all contracted up by August

Didnt the tigers loan out some players last year from August 1.

Nofoluma went down to Melbourne and they crumbled in last 6 weeks.

 

[Tiger5150]

Mate if you think Stefano reaches the heights he’s expected to and is happy to never play finals you have rocks in your head. He’ll jump ship quicker than Brooks can stuff up a 4 on 2 overlap…

Did I say that?

Pou was just explaining the shrewd Parra recruitment that sees Stef at the Tigers and you guys buying Tigers cast offs.

 

[84 Baby]

Didnt the tigers loan out some players last year from August 1.

Nofoluma went down to Melbourne and they crumbled in last 6 weeks.

Last year we had 29 players in our squad on the 1st Monday in August..

FFS MON learn to count!

Shut up! If Tigers need 30 players by August, they need 30 players

 

[Tiger5150]

I read a while back that the Dogs signed Reece Hoffman on a bigger contract then Bailey Biondi-Odo effectively taking his place in the top 30 as Bailey had torn his ACL. He still has his contract but he is no longer in the top 30.

he didnt effectively take his place he did take his place. BBO was cut from the NRL squad and didnt have a NRL contract (could not play NRL). Dogs had 30 players first monday in August.