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Avenger said:
And you know this how? Because it suits your argument? Ben Hunt has been offered about $1m and he's in his mid 30's. How much you reckon Cameron Smith was on? Wasn't Hodgson rated only second to Smith before he did his knee? Did you think that he would regress so far? I didn't . Neither did Parra which is why they overpaid for him. And he is shit because the stats that you rely on so much indicate that he is shit now.

That's the evidence and we play better with a rookie like Hands. That's more evidence but you just try and keep telling me otherwise.
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The player option is the sweetener in the deal in the case of him not being wanted by the club in the second year, yet he still has a contract to fall back on iform doesn't warrant the club option being activated.

By definiton these amounts will have significant enough of a difference, elsewise why bother with the two different numbers?

I think it fair to assume the club option would be similar to the first year, if not a bit, but not a whole lot less.

So if he's on as you suggested 400k this year, there is no way in exercising his PO that he's on 400k next year, we obviously can't know the number, but 300k PO vs 400k CO would seem reasonable enough a difference to me to make the exercise worthwhile. .

Remembering that in the case of Hodgson having to activate his PO it's because the club doesn't want him at whatever the CO is.
 
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Eelementary said:
I like Jake, but he's not ready for regular First Grade.

Moving him to a club where the spotlight would be less intense was a smart move.

And for what it's worth, I thank the kid for his time with us - even though he struggled a bit, given the mountain of negative energy directed near him, he always gave 100%.

He's a good kid. I wish him all the best, sincerely.
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Was the best move for his career, every success or failure he has there will be on him, not on his old man.
 
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Legal Eel said:
Such a terrible argument - are we meant to believe that your opinions of a player are tied only to their top 30 status?

You really don't watch any of the actual games, do you?

You have cemented your status as someone who knows nothing about rugby league.
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What it means is that professionals in their field see things you don't, but likely they know nothing about rugby league and don't watch any games either.
 
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Bandwagon said:
The player option is the sweetener in the deal in the case of him not being wanted by the club in the second year, yet he still has a contract to fall back on iform doesn't warrant the club option being activated.

By definiton these amounts will have significant enough of a difference, elsewise why bother with the two different numbers?

I think it fair to assume the club option would be similar to the first year, if not a bit, but not a whole lot less.

So if he's on as you suggested 400k this year, there is no way in exercising his PO that he's on 400k next year, we obviously can't know the number, but 300k PO vs 400k CO would seem reasonable enough a difference to me to make the exercise worthwhile. .

Remembering that in the case of Hodgson having to activate his PO it's because the club doesn't want him at whatever the CO is.
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Your last paragraph raises a good point. I’m pretty sure under a mutual option if both parties agree the amount would be at least what he was on this year. Seeing he activated his and we didn’t than @Poupou Escobar and I are both right. It is less next year but the club thinks he isn’t worth it.

Basically the club put him on their own shit list.
 
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Avenger said:
Your last paragraph raises a good point. I’m pretty sure under a mutual option if both parties agree the amount would be at least what he was on this year. Seeing he activated his and we didn’t than @Poupou Escobar and I are both right. It is less next year but the club thinks he isn’t worth it.

Basically the club put him on their own shit list.
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which reminds me. It needs updating. Grrrrrr
 
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Avenger said:
Your last paragraph raises a good point. I’m pretty sure under a mutual option if both parties agree the amount would be at least what he was on this year. Seeing he activated his and we didn’t than @Poupou Escobar and I are both right. It is less next year but the club thinks he isn’t worth it.

Basically the club put him on their own shit list.
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I don't understand why you think that a mutual option means that the second year has to be for an amount at least equal to what he's on in the first year. I mean, it could be, but there's no reason that it must be. Typically both parts of a mutual option will be for the same price in the option year (i.e. the price is the same regardless of whether the player exercises the option or the club exercises it), but that price could be more or less than the price in the first year. In the case of a bloke at the tail end of his career, I'd guess that it is more likely that the option year is for a salary less than 2023.

And it's pretty likely that he'll just retire when the smoke has settled and he's sufficiently far enough into his deal that insurance will cover most of a medical retirement.
 
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Barry O'Speedwagon said:
I don't understand why you think that a mutual option means that the second year has to be for an amount at least equal to what he's on in the first year. I mean, it could be, but there's no reason that it must be. Typically both parts of a mutual option will be for the same price in the option year (i.e. the price is the same regardless of whether the player exercises the option or the club exercises it), but that price could be more or less than the price in the first year. In the case of a bloke at the tail end of his career, I'd guess that it is more likely that the option year is for a salary less than 2023.

And it's pretty likely that he'll just retire when the smoke has settled and he's sufficiently far enough into his deal that insurance will cover most of a medical retirement.
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Can we at least agree with the benefit of hindsight that he was a poor signing?
 
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Avenger said:
Your last paragraph raises a good point. I’m pretty sure under a mutual option if both parties agree the amount would be at least what he was on this year. Seeing he activated his and we didn’t than @Poupou Escobar and I are both right. It is less next year but the club thinks he isn’t worth it.

Basically the club put him on their own shit list.
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In this case I'd reckon the neck surgery precludes the club from even being able to put a value on him, it literally might be zero because he may not recover well enough to take the field.

Prior to the injury I'd hazard a guess the club wouldn't have seen enough value to activate their option, so however much they valued him at, it would be less than that.
 
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Can we at least agree with the benefit of hindsight that he was a poor signing?
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I’d say he’s not as good as they were anticipating before his injury, but he’s no older than they were anticipating, and already had an injury history. I’m sure we took all this into account when negotiating price. I’d say the mutual option was to cover us (and him) in the event of him hurting himself.
 
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Bandwagon said:
In this case I'd reckon the neck surgery precludes the club from even being able to put a value on him, it literally might be zero because he may not recover well enough to take the field.

Prior to the injury I'd hazard a guess the club wouldn't have seen enough value to activate their option, so however much they valued him at, it would be less than that.
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The player already said he would be taking his option, before he had played a game for us. That means he knew we wouldn’t be taking our option. I reckon we probably knew it too.
 
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If nothing else his signing bought us some time to mange the introduction of hands into first grade rather then throwing him in from the get go this year.
Maybe we didn’t expect to lose reed and clearly we didn’t have confidence in anyone in our squad at the time to become our no.1 hooker. I’m no fan of Hodgson, physically and mentally I don’t think he is up to it but all things considered his signing far from a disaster.
 
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