Rumours and Stuff

[bartman]

Tackles attempted per minute among halves:

Surely that stat is influenced by how many minutes a particular team was (not) in possession of the ball.

Unless that's been specifically factored in and then comparatively averaged out, that stat will be a skewed representation of... well, nothing of any value.

*edit* And the stats were unsourced....

 

[bartman]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/ren...y/news-story/c61134081e79e5c886a8e322bd03b42e

Reni Maitua returns to Parramatta to motivate Eels squad with life story

f**k our club ends up with some clingers on... Hayne reportedly "spent time with our U20s" mid-season last year too!

Cut the cord ex-Eels, get a life!

 

[bartman]

Burt, who banged home an amazing 646 goals as a lifetime Eels player, said he had done some work with Norman and Gutherson before Christmas.

Semi missing again from those sessions... doesn't bode well for him to be one of our kickers - or perhaps even in the squad post court appearance?

 

[El Diablo]

f**k our club ends up with some clingers on... Hayne reportedly "spent time with our U20s" mid-season last year too!

Cut the cord ex-Eels, get a life!

at least Reni didn't f**k us in the arse

 

[Green River Eel]

at least Reni didn't f**k us in the arse

He did on the park.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

f**k our club ends up with some clingers on... Hayne reportedly "spent time with our U20s" mid-season last year too!

Cut the cord ex-Eels, get a life!

Close your eyes
Clear your heart
Cut the cord

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Exactly. You said "he won't let any team down". He quite obviously did in those final few minutes

Well if you're going to be a pedant, obviously every player will let his team down at some point. When I say he won't let them down I am using a colloquial term to indicate frequency.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Billy Rogers never let us down.

 

[T.S Quint]

Sure everyone makes mistakes in games...but there's a difference between dropping the ball on halfway in the 10th minute (when you team still has plenty of time to make up for the mistake) and dropping the ball 10 meters out from your own line during golden point in a grand final.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Surely that stat is influenced by how many minutes a particular team was (not) in possession of the ball.

Unless that's been specifically factored in and then comparatively averaged out, that stat will be a skewed representation of... well, nothing of any value.

*edit* And the stats were unsourced....

In general I agree but these are the only stats I could be bothered putting together (feel free to source your own stats if you have any theories of your own you'd like to put forward). It ultimately doesn't matter because these stats reflect what happened, rather than why. Players who attempt few tackles are either not targeted or they are not involved. In the case of halves, they are all targeted, even if some are targeted more than others.

But if it interests you, the Storm attempted far more tackles than any other team, indicating they got numbers into the tackle more than everyone else (so three guys tackling one runner counts as a tackle for each of three players, counting for three total team tackles). This would also account for the high tackle percentages of Cronk and Green, because they were less likely to be attempting their tackles alone. As always, use context to interpret statistics, and if you're unable you are always free to ask someone who can.

The Storm (individual players combined) attempted 9857 tackles, which was about 7% more than the next best Cowboys and third placed Broncos. The lazy Warriors attempted the fewest combined, with only 8054 combined tackles, meaning they were the team most likely to leave their mates isolated in defence. Interestingly the Storm forward pack has a high number of New Zealanders.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Sure everyone makes mistakes in games...but there's a difference between dropping the ball on halfway in the 10th minute (when you team still has plenty of time to make up for the mistake) and dropping the ball 10 meters out from your own line during golden point in a grand final.

The only difference is in the consequences. Players have no control over when they make errors. They are all unintended, except in the case of match fixing.

 

[T.S Quint]

Of course no one want to make an error.
Considering that Rugby League is a game that hinges on whether you win or lose then consequences matter a pretty big deal, don't you think?

I know what would keep Ben Hunt up at night more - an error that led to nothing in a regular season match, or his GF debacle.
Then again, now he's signed this contract he can rest his head on a pillow stuffed with hundred dollar bills. That would help anyone get to sleep.

 

[Green River Eel]

The only difference is in the consequences. Players have no control over when they make errors. They are all unintended, except in the case of match fixing.

What about intentional forward passes and intentionally dropping the ball in a tackle to milk a penalty?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Of course no one want to make an error.
Considering that Rugby League is a game that hinges on whether you win or lose then consequences matter a pretty big deal, don't you think?

It does, but the fact he made that error in more unfortunate circumstances than normal has nothing to do with his ability as a player. Therefore it doesn't affect his price.

I know what would keep Ben Hunt up at night more - an error that led to nothing in a regular season match, or his GF debacle.

If he's mentally strong enough to be an NRL player, and it seems he is, then he won't bother with things out of his control. These guys are very good at compartmentalising - that's why you see them joking with the opposition after a loss while deadshit fans are absuing their wife and kids all the way home.

Then again, now he's signed this contract he can rest his head on a pillow stuffed with hundred dollar bills. That would help anyone get to sleep.

I'm sure he'll be happy with the money but I doubt it will change his level of commitment to preparing for each game.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I wouldn't buy Hunt.

Chances are he'll help you get to the GF by being one of the form halves in the comp. But, being the prick tease that he is he'll deliberately drop the ball at a crucial stage in the GF.

I couldn't stand being let down like that.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Then again, now he's signed this contract he can rest his head on a pillow stuffed with hundred dollar bills. That would help anyone get to sleep.

I doubt that it would provide sufficient neck support and comfort to allow for a good night's sleep.

 

[84 Baby]

f**k our club ends up with some clingers on... Hayne reportedly "spent time with our U20s" mid-season last year too!

Cut the cord ex-Eels, get a life!

Jarryd was just introducing the youngsters to the offerings of our future stadium naming sponsor

 

[eloquentEEL]

He's somewhere on the spectrum.

Surely he's smack bang in the middle

 

[T.S Quint]

It does, but the fact he made that error in more unfortunate circumstances than normal has nothing to do with his ability as a player. Therefore it doesn't affect his price.

I agree, but that wasn't the point being argued. I was just pointing out that some mistakes are worse than others.
Ben Hunt is a fine player and I would have liked to have signed him. Not for that amount of money though. I think we can find better value out there somewhere.

 

[T.S Quint]

I doubt that it would provide sufficient neck support and comfort to allow for a good night's sleep.

If Bernie can get a good nights sleep on a bed of hookers and a pillow of used syringes, then anything's possible.