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It’s not semantics. It’s a given that they COULD get worse. Should clubs never sign young players? Or any players?
You need to go back and read those posts.
We have players who will almost certainly get worse over their current contract. So do the Panthers and every other club. What COULD happen is part of the accepted risk of offering these contracts. The deciding factor (for contract values) is what is likely to happen. And across 30 different contracts you can expect the edge cases to come out in the wash. The alternative is to not have a footy club.
Oh good we agree that players can get worse. So one player contracted to the top 30 could conceivably be outside the top 30 in quality?
I reckon something happened off the field, because even his strengths deserted him.

I reckon he still is top 30 quality. His defensive numbers support it.
It’s effort. Skills mean f**k all if 2 minutes after getting on field, he’s walking. Defensive numbers won’t show when he’s completely out of position.
But still within the (contracted) top 30. We only used 31 players, including one who left the club mid season.
Yep so he’s top 30 quality by default. Only took BA to piss off his son.
No it’s an objective standard based on whether a player can contribute on the NRL field. Some clubs might have more than 30 while others have fewer.
You have a 30 man squad. The 30th best player is the standard. If you’re 31st best player becomes better than the 30th, we’ll then he becomes the 30th best player and the new standard. You can’t have more than 30 in a top 30 because as I learned in early primary 31 is more than 30.
You can conceivably have less given fluctuations in signing players/having players available to join squad, but in those circumstances, best practice would still be to bring in players at least better than your current worst player.
No, it’s based on his performance in first grade and reserve grade, especially in defence.
You must have watched a different Moimosea. His performance in first grade entrenched at the bottom of our top 30. And his performance in reserves was poor for someone hoping to play NRL. I’m not sure what you saw in his defence but he still looked like lacking effort to me. Moretti went past him, Mataele has defensive problems but he at least put the effort in.
 

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As much as I would of liked to sign a back I felt we are better served their now then 2023.
Ethyn Martyn is a real prospect. Harper is about as good as Waqa and Dunster may bounce back. He was never going to be any good in 23.
Russel and Penisini should improve as should Simmonson who is relatively new to the centre position.
And I still think we MAY add someone.

Simmonson has had 20 odd games at centre. This season 7 times he cracked over 150mtrs from that position which is excellent. He also was ranked 13th of 34 centres in tackle breaks so it is not hopeless. He isnt a superstar but he puts in 100% and I think he has a bit to offer.
 
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As much as I would of liked to sign a back I felt we are better served their now then 2023.
Ethyn Martyn is a real prospect. Harper is about as good as Waqa and Dunster may bounce back. He was never going to be any good in 23.
Russel and Penisini should improve as should Simmonson who is relatively new to the centre position.
And I still think we MAY add someone.

Simmonson has had 20 odd games at centre. This season 7 times he cracked over 150mtrs from that position which is excellent. He also was ranked 13th of 34 centres in tackle breaks so it is not hopeless. He isnt a superstar but he puts in 100% and I think he has a bit to offer.

I see what you did there.
 

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As much as I would of liked to sign a back I felt we are better served their now then 2023.
Ethyn Martyn is a real prospect. Harper is about as good as Waqa and Dunster may bounce back. He was never going to be any good in 23.
Russel and Penisini should improve as should Simmonson who is relatively new to the centre position.
And I still think we MAY add someone.

Simmonson has had 20 odd games at centre. This season 7 times he cracked over 150mtrs from that position which is excellent. He also was ranked 13th of 34 centres in tackle breaks so it is not hopeless. He isnt a superstar but he puts in 100% and I think he has a bit to offer.
In May?
Just popped onto the Eels site. Harper and Tualagi started training today. Harper's locks are gone...the beginning of a new dawn. Surprise packet of 2024...Simmo looks bigger. Good to see.
I have a feeling we will get an outside back or 2 as well...player managers are working the phones I've been told. The AFB rumour was definitely fact. He had clubs lining up for his services...there will be player movement...
I'm trying to find out more if there is any parra movement...
 

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You need to go back and read those posts.
Maybe I will.
Oh good we agree that players can get worse.
Some of them are even likely to get worse. :winkyface:

But before a certain age a significant majority of players will not decline in a given year and before another, lower age, the significant majority will improve from one year to the next. These are the empirical facts that clubs will use when offering contracts of one or more years, not what COULD happen.
So one player contracted to the top 30 could conceivably be outside the top 30 in quality?
I thought we had already established this. Why are you now posing it as a gotcha-style query, as though you are circling around to a hitherto obscure point that ties all your bullshit sematic arguments together?

I already said some (most?) clubs have fewer than 30 players of top 30 quality while some others have more than 30. The presupposes the existence of an objective standard. I understand you disagree, in which case there is no point going into the implications. You think top 30 standard just means the best 30 players at a club. I think it is an objective standard that fewer than 510 NRL contracted players currently meet. I also think that Momoisea meets this standard.
It’s effort. Skills mean f**k all if 2 minutes after getting on field, he’s walking. Defensive numbers won’t show when he’s completely out of position.
I think over a large enough sample they do, for the simple reason that missed tackles are often (no, not always) the result of being out of position; getting one's body in front of the attacker. I agree that effort might be a weakness of Momoisea's, but every player has weaknesses.
Yep so he’s top 30 quality by default. Only took BA to piss off his son.
No I think he's top 30 by virtue of his performances. I already told you this. But the fact that only 27 players made more NRL appearances positions him as a top 30 player by your own standard. By my standard it is irrelevant. I also think Cini is probably top 30 standard and he played zero games.
You have a 30 man squad. The 30th best player is the standard. If you’re 31st best player becomes better than the 30th, we’ll then he becomes the 30th best player and the new standard. You can’t have more than 30 in a top 30 because as I learned in early primary 31 is more than 30.
You can conceivably have less given fluctuations in signing players/having players available to join squad, but in those circumstances, best practice would still be to bring in players at least better than your current worst player.
Not if they cost more. The salary cap means that backups must be paid in inverse proportion to the salaries of the first teamers they might have to replace. You made this exact point the other day ffs.
You must have watched a different Moimosea. His performance in first grade entrenched at the bottom of our top 30. And his performance in reserves was poor for someone hoping to play NRL. I’m not sure what you saw in his defence but he still looked like lacking effort to me. Moretti went past him, Mataele has defensive problems but he at least put the effort in.
No he doesn't seem to be much of a collision chaser, but his forte is edge defence, where there's less need for it.
 

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Surprise packet of 2024...Simmo looks bigger. Good to see.
Bigger around the guts anyway:

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I guess this is why they do preseason.
 

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As much as I would of liked to sign a back I felt we are better served their now then 2023.
Ethyn Martyn is a real prospect. Harper is about as good as Waqa and Dunster may bounce back. He was never going to be any good in 23.
Russel and Penisini should improve as should Simmonson who is relatively new to the centre position.
And I still think we MAY add someone.

Simmonson has had 20 odd games at centre. This season 7 times he cracked over 150mtrs from that position which is excellent. He also was ranked 13th of 34 centres in tackle breaks so it is not hopeless. He isnt a superstar but he puts in 100% and I think he has a bit to offer.
Lucky for us we will be the only team that have players improve for 2024.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Teams with younger rosters are more likely to see improvement while teams with older rosters will be more likely to see a generalised decline. This is why younger players tend to cost more than older players of similar quality.
 

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