Rumours and Stuff

[hindy111]

Of course not, but absolutely irrelevant to the post I was responding to. You questioned whether Cleary had failed during his earlier career, and cited poor performance when you're expected to do well as an indicator of failure. I'm just saying that his record in his first stint at Penrith looks like a failure according to those criteria. Sometimes there's only so much the coach can do.

I'd trade him in a heart beat. Ivan's been to 5 grand finals......
Yes they where rebuilding and cap was a mess. He still was able to make the hard calls and cut big names in 2019 amd built from the ground up.

BA inherited a side that was on the up and Ricky had help sort our cap space. 2016 was a no contest so fair enough. We still where not a premiership side.
SK and Ricky had no money to spend and a rubbish sides.
I don't get fans on here fascination with BA. He is ok and sure he has also done ok. But hardly worth persisting with is he? Just average overall. I don't think we have had one season where I genuinely felt we could win it. Even when we made the grand final I didn't think we where much better then 3 or 4 other sides in the 8. We got to thrash Canberra who did us a favour taking out the Storm

6 sides had better points differential. Cookies just crumbled our way in 2022.

In 2017 we made the top 4 but had the 9th best points differential. 39+

In 2020 the only other year we made the top 4 we had the 6th nest point diff.

Never a genuine title team.

 

[King-Gutho94]

I'd trade him in a heart beat. Ivan's been to 5 grand finals......
Yes they where rebuilding and cap was a mess. He still was able to make the hard calls and cut big names in 2019 amd built from the ground up.

BA inherited a side that was on the up and Ricky had help sort our cap space. 2016 was a no contest so fair enough. We still where not a premiership side.
SK and Ricky had no money to spend and a rubbish sides.
I don't get fans on here fascination with BA. He is ok and sure he has also done ok. But hardly worth persisting with is he? Just average overall. I don't think we have had one season where I genuinely felt we could win it. Even when we made the grand final I didn't think we where much better then 3 or 4 other sides in the 8. We got to thrash Canberra who did us a favour taking out the Storm

6 sides had better points differential. Cookies just crumbled our way.

In 2017 we made the top 4 but had the 7th best points differential. 39+

Tbf we were probably the 2nd best team in 2022. Just Penrith were daylight ahead.

Cronulla and the Cowboys got in the 4 through soft draws and it showed in the finals they were frauds.

We beat Melbourne twice and Penrith twice in the regular season. All 4 wins were credible wins.

We had 2 shockers with losing the shithouse Tigers at home and Canterbury flogging us at homebush but that is the way we are. Jekyll and Hyde.

 

[hindy111]

Tbf we were probably the 2nd best team in 2022. Just Penrith were daylight ahead.

Cronulla and the Cowboys got in the 4 through soft draws and it showed in the finals they were frauds.

We beat Melbourne twice and Penrith twice in the regular season. All 4 wins were credible wins.

We had 2 shockers with losing the shithouse Tigers at home and Canterbury flogging us at homebush but that is the way we are. Jekyll and Hyde.

I reckon Storm,Sharks,Cowboys,Roosters,Souths where about the same ball park. If we played any of then in the finals 10 times I reckon results would of been fairly split.

 

[King-Gutho94]

I reckon Storm,Sharks,Cowboys,Roosters,Souths where about the same ball park. If we played any of then in the finals 10 times I reckon results would of been fairly split.

We were due some luck in finals.

It's not like we got any in 2020 and 2021 the previous 2 years.

Through injuries to the whole backline and match day suspension in between semi finals in 2020.

And the following year going toe to toe with Penrith where we were dreadfully unlucky and the best chance we had of beating them in the finals. We barely got a decision go our way and had SFA ball and lost 8-6 from a penalty on the stroke of halftime.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I'd trade him in a heart beat. Ivan's been to 5 grand finals......
Yes they where rebuilding and cap was a mess. He still was able to make the hard calls and cut big names in 2019 amd built from the ground up.

BA inherited a side that was on the up and Ricky had help sort our cap space. 2016 was a no contest so fair enough. We still where not a premiership side.
SK and Ricky had no money to spend and a rubbish sides.
I don't get fans on here fascination with BA. He is ok and sure he has also done ok. But hardly worth persisting with is he? Just average overall. I don't think we have had one season where I genuinely felt we could win it. Even when we made the grand final I didn't think we where much better then 3 or 4 other sides in the 8. We got to thrash Canberra who did us a favour taking out the Storm

6 sides had better points differential. Cookies just crumbled our way in 2022.

In 2017 we made the top 4 but had the 9th best points differential. 39+

In 2020 the only other year we made the top 4 we had the 6th nest point diff.

Never a genuine title team.

Nothing to do with a 'fascination' with BA. Just a perspective that you don't agree with, and that's cool. I have no problem with getting rid of BA if we have a better option. Getting rid of him in the hope that we find one might work, or it could set things back a lot further. If we did that all the geniuses (including the ones who don't watch many games, but can just feel it) would tear the club a new one if it didn't work out.

Some of the vitriol levelled at BA last July / Augustish was pathetic (not by you), and said a lot more about the posters than the coach.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Would you trade BA for Ivan?

2019 Cleary no chance

 

[hindy111]

2019 Cleary no chance

Lifetime deal?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If only they hadn't recently signed a new halfback related to the coach.....

You know there's two halves in the 17? On top of that, Sanders is a left footer, so could spend most of his career in the 6 jersey.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I don't get fans on here fascination with BA. He is ok and sure he has also done ok. But hardly worth persisting with is he? Just average overall.

Nobody's fascinated with him. He is an above average coach, and there aren't many better than him in the game. How many of those are willing to come to our club? When was the last time we signed a top line coach from anywhere?

 

[hindy111]

Nobody's fascinated with him. He is an above average coach, and there aren't many better than him in the game. How many of those are willing to come to our club? When was the last time we signed a top line coach from anywhere?

Ricky Stuart was probably our last great coach. I rate him . personaly. But the arsehol walked out on us

 

[lucablight]

Nobody's fascinated with him. He is an above average coach, and there aren't many better than him in the game. How many of those are willing to come to our club? When was the last time we signed a top line coach from anywhere?

Correlation doesn’t equal causation. Are Newcastle and St George more attractive options than us? If they could do it there’s no reason why we couldn’t have signed a top line coach either. I’d say we’ve chosen the coaches we have for various reasons or the timing wasn’t right when super coaches were available. How many of those type of coaches are there anyway? Apart from Bennett the most successful ones like Bellamy and Robinson have stuck with the same clubs.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Ricky Stuart was probably our last great coach. I rate him . personaly. But the arsehol walked out on us

I rate him too but do you reckon he was in high demand at the time? I don't, or else he wouldn't have come to Parra.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Are Newcastle and St George more attractive options than us?

I reckon they were at the time because they agreed to spend beyond their means while Bennett was there. Their rapid declines immediately after he left support this. Getting Bennett-level coaches is unsustainable for most clubs.

 

[lucablight]

I reckon they were at the time because they agreed to spend beyond their means while Bennett was there. Their rapid declines immediately after he left support this. Getting Bennett-level coaches is unsustainable for most clubs.

Broncos got a spoon affer Bennett left. They certainly didn’t lack spending power. Maybe it’s just bad luck by all involved?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Broncos got a spoon affer Bennett left. They certainly didn’t lack spending power. Maybe it’s just bad luck by all involved?

I’m sure the Broncos’ recent misfortunes were directly caused by a lack of investment.

 

[lucablight]

I’m sure the Broncos’ recent misfortunes were directly caused by a lack of investment.

I don’t agree with that. I think their misfortunes were caused by poor choices by management. For example they put alot of faith in Brodie Croft (even making him co-captain) but it soon became apparent he wasn’t up to the task. 8 of the players from the 2020 wooden spoon team were present in the 2023 grand final so I’d say they had a nucleus of a good team. They just didn’t have good generals to bring it all together. They became incredibly lucky that Adam Reynolds and Reece Walsh fell into their lap (it was more good luck than good management). If Souths hadn’t outsmarted themselves by cheaping out on Reynolds and Walsh hadn’t split from his partner and wanted to move back to Queensland to be closer to his daughter Brisbane don’t make the 2023 grand final.

 

[TheRam]

The most important metrics support it 100%

No, when a single bloke gets to go Christmas shopping with the salary cap, Hasler-style, it becomes a problem. You never run into cap trouble by missing out on a player. And not making the finals one year in five isn't the disaster you think it is.

This is the backline that ran second in 2022:

1. Gutherson
2. Sivo
3. Penisini
4. Simonsson
5. Blake
6. Brown
7. Moses

It's a decent backline, and the kind of backline you'd expect in a club that has committed a lot of the salary cap to its forward pack. You can't have everything. If we'd spent less on forwards, merkins would be whinging about that instead. Just f**king relax and enjoy the footy. JUST F**KING RELAX FFS!!!

You need to stop arguing with me ffs

No my beef isn't with us having to choose between having to balance between quality forwards or backs so as to comply with the salary cap.

No my beef is with our pathways development that has been so ordinary for so freaken long that we aren't producing enough quality that can come up and play at real NRL level and standard. That is our problem. Not enough juniors that come in at lower salary prices. That is where the value generally comes from.

Which is a total joke for a so called DEVELOPMENT club joke ours.

But you just keep talking sh*t. You do you bro. It's who you are.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

No my beef isn't with us having to choose between having to balance between quality forwards or backs so as to comply with the salary cap.

No my beef is with our pathways development that has been so ordinary for so freaken long that we aren't producing enough quality that can come up and play at real NRL level and standard. That is our problem. Not enough juniors that come in at lower salary prices. That is where the value generally comes from.

Agreed

Which is a total joke for a so called DEVELOPMENT club joke ours.

The commitment to being a development club is very recent, and comes on the back of a return to PLC profitability (and football club spending) after Covid f**ked the club’s finances.

The evidence that the spending is bearing fruit is in the crop of SG Ball graduates from last year. I’m keen to see how the Flegg and NSW Cup sides go.

But you just keep talking sh*t. You do you bro. It's who you are.

I’m not sure I agree with this

 

[Eelementary]

I took Manly at $31 - 3mths ago. Penrith have lost to many talented kids. If they got the 4 peat under the salary cap years after having over 25 players taken from them then it goes down as one of the biggest sporting achievements in the history of sport one would think.
Do you remember 7yrs ago when I told everyone I here they are building a powerhouse
@TheRam Remembers.

Penrith wining 4 in a row would be insane, but St George won 11 straight Premierships, and the Boston Celtics won 9 straight Championships.

Players are much better athletes, and more professional these days, but still - winning 9/11 in a row is still a tougher achievement, imo.

 

[hindy111]

Penrith wining 4 in a row would be insane, but St George won 11 straight Premierships, and the Boston Celtics won 9 straight Championships.

Players are much better athletes, and more professional these days, but still - winning 9/11 in a row is still a tougher achievement, imo.

I disagree on Saints 11 wins. Who was the competition? There was no salary cap either to try an even things up . They wouldn't of had to deal with losing 3-4 quality players each year and re shaping the side
Only 10 sides in the comp and all in Sydney So no travel. On top of that No QLD sides or even Newcastle or Canberra.I mean there wasn't even a Penrith.