Rumours and Stuff

[oldmancraigy]

Is he currently playing Centre? I thought he was but may be wrong.
Why would the Titans get rid of him out of interest?

And he was saying that his goal is to be the best center in the NRL.

He is high quality, and super fast. And if the worst should happen and the King gets injured, Brimson would be a fine backup (or I'd be happy with him starting at the #1).

Titans might be thinking about $, or talking about a swap (with us or someone else) or ... ?
Who knows. Most of these rumours are crazy anyway

 

[oldmancraigy]

Im sure the whole forum is gagging for my input so here it is....

Tedesco
Turbo
Walsh
Edwards
Ponga
Papenhauzen
Gutherson
The Hammer
Bula
Drinkwater

Sumpthin like that, lots of pluses and minuses and Teddy is getting long in the tooth and probably overrrated here. This list probably overrates attack but that is the modern fullback. FWIW IMO Bula is top 3 for defence. Paps ahead of Guffo is probably based on past performance and its yet to be seen if he returns as good as previously.

EDIT: Ive previously expressed my personal dislike for Guffo, but I can see that he is the kind of effort on effort player that binds a team, this rating above doesnt necessarily express this. This rating is of Guffo vs his contemporaries but his value to Parra is probably above Paps and somewhat equal to Edwards.

That's a fair list - but Teddy is way past it.

I'd go

top tier
Turbo
Walsh
Edwards
Ponga

2nd tier
Gutherson
Papenhauzen
Teddy
Hammer
Drinkwater

3rd tier
others

For me it is the defensive capabilities of someone like Gutho which ranks him above a Paps/ Drinkwater (etc). His attack is also fine, and he ranks highest in workload with Edwards and Teddy.
The top tier all have another level - Edwards is the weird unflashy one, but a defensive wunderkind and has a motor that doesn't switch off

Teddy has too many mistakes and isn't creative enough, and not as big a threat running as he used to be. WAS a clear #1 in the past, but not now (to me)

 

[King-Gutho94]

I would have like to have signed the winger Khan-Pereira from the GC.

He always seems to score 2-3 tries against us. And is lightening quick.

What's his contract status

 

[Tooooks]

I would have like to have signed the winger Khan-Pereira from the GC.

He always seems to score 2-3 tries against us. And is lightening quick.

What's his contract status

Contracted til the end of 2026.

 

[JokerEel]

Let's all put our differences aside in peace today

Happy HARMONY DAY everyone

f**k you Merkin!

 

[TheRam]

In no order but you Rank them....
Tedesco
Edwards
Turbo
Walsh
Papenhauzen
Ponga
Gutherson
The Hammer
Drinkwater


Could play there but don't
Manu
RTS

In all my time following RL I don't think we have ever had so many top line fullbacks all at the same time. It is truly amazing and wonderful to watch some of these freaks do their thing. The last 10 years in particular has been a golden age for fullbacks.

Now if we could somehow replicate this to the halfback and 5/8th positions and the NRL would be magnificently on fire and insane to watch.

I don't know why more isn't done to produce an abundance of playmakers by each and every club. I mean they all know how VITAL that position is and how no one wins premierships without a quality playmaker or two, so why not make it their number one priority at the junior level and create junior level academies all the way up to NSW Cup level? I know Gould has started a halfback Academy at the Dogs, but from what I understand it is at the seniors level and he is the only one doing it now. Just not good enough and maybe to little to late kind of stuff.

This should be and would be my focus if I were running a club more than anything else as far as developing junior talent goes. Halves and then Front Rowers. Without them no NRL team goes anywhere in the NRL. Millions are spent on juniors each and every year and yet we don't focus near enough on how and what makes a great half and then foster and put the appropriate focus and resources into them to polish and shine those rough diamonds into the sparkling jewels that they have the potential to be.

Like Rihanna said...

Shine like a diamond.

 

[Glenneel]

Apparently there's a rumor going round that we are looking at A J Brimson for fullback and Gutho to centres. If true we are off our rocker.

I heard it on Sen 1170 this morning.

Good move if true which I doubt

 

[King-Gutho94]

In all my time following RL I don't think we have ever had so many top line fullbacks all at the same time. It is truly amazing and wonderful to watch some of these freaks do their thing. The last 10 years in particular has been a golden age for fullbacks.

Now if we could somehow replicate this to the halfback and 5/8th positions and the NRL would be magnificently on fire and insane to watch.

I don't know why more isn't done to produce an abundance of playmakers by each and every club. I mean they all know how VITAL that position is and how no one wins premierships without a quality playmaker or two, so why not make it their number one priority at the junior level and create junior level academies all the way up to NSW Cup level? I know Gould has started a halfback Academy at the Dogs, but from what I understand it is at the seniors level and he is the only one doing it now. Just not good enough and maybe to little to late kind of stuff.

This should be and would be my focus if I were running a club more than anything else as far as developing junior talent goes. Halves and then Front Rowers. Without them no NRL team goes anywhere in the NRL. Millions are spent on juniors each and every year and yet we don't focus near enough on how and what makes a great half and then foster and put the appropriate focus and resources into them to polish and shine those rough diamonds into the sparkling jewels that they have the potential to be.

Like Rihanna said...

Shine like a diamond.

Junior league coaching has a lot to do with it.

Also these days a lot of coaches at all levels from NRL to juniors are very impatient with halves.

Moses said it took him 100 games to start to feel comfortable in first grade.

Thankfully we let the good old wests tigers soak up 70 odd games of those for us.

Look at this weekend NRL coaches have dumped 4 Halfbacks already after 2 rounds.

Lachlan Ilias for example is a good defender for a halfback his age which is half the battle but lacks any creativity has he been coached that way from a young level.

 

[Glenneel]

And his nickname is Prince....

He would be a better pick up than Lomax IMO....

Trouble with Lomax is that he is strictly a right side player so we'd have to move Peninisi and he is too expensive. Either persist and develop Blaize or go after some promising cheapie.

 

[Glenneel]

Why would you think he would be on more than minimum salary? The three year contract would've been enough of a benefit to bring him to Sydney. This is why backups get long contracts. It keeps their per-year price down. Everyone wants one year backups, which means there is more demand (and more money) for backups willing to sign for only one year. It's simple mafs ffs

How many in the top 30 are on minimum and why would you move from one club to another on minimum? I'd say not many. In our top 30 I'd say Blaize would be plus Cini, maybe Harper, maybe Taumoepenu and Moretti. So 3-5 or not many.

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[Glenneel]

^^^^ In his two games for the Dragons reserve-grade team this year, he has made nine tackle busts, 18 tackles (78.3 per cent tackle efficiency) and is running an average of 149 metres per game.

Perfect for Parra then.

 

[TheRam]

Could do. BA does like to work under a least disruption plan but he might move things over for 1 game.

FWIW I think Blaize will be exposed like that delicious Portuguese bird on the weekend. At least he should be if Manly play well. DCE is no fool so he, Turbo and coach will have done their homework and seen how undeveloped and not NRL ready the kid is and will have or at least should have cooked up a game plan or two to stretch and strip our numbers out wide, especially when we tire and can't scramble quick enough to cover the unfolding play.

What I would have done is put Asi in and had him and Brown train all off season in different scenarios of interchanging between centre and 5/8th. Asi is by far the most talented and NRL ready back cover we have for cover. So we needed to make sure that if we were ever in this predicament and everyone but blind Potates could see that it was a real possibility since we have so little outside back depth, that they and the whole team were familiar and ready for it. Like Cooper Cronk says, to fix a weakness you train till you are dreaming it in your sleep and it becomes instinctive and second nature to you.

But no, instead what we have is lets throw in a junior that is weak and hesitant in traffic under the high ball and not a powerful body by NRL standards for the collision both in attack and defence and against one of the fastest if not the fastest and most powerful teams in the league. Sure he maybe a great talent of the future, but he isn't ready now and I fear we will be handed our arses come Sunday and the poor kid will sadly be a significant contributor towards that outcome.

I don't blame the kid, Potates should know better.

 

[Glenneel]

God you’re shit at this. Momoisea was definitely on 400k per year. I think Rodwell was on closer to 1m and Taumoepena is on about 250k. Think of that we can sign with that. Especially with the 600k we were already under cap by.

#warchest

Your talking Roosters figures now, but only when they go. They're all on minimum when signed. But gee they spend a lot of time on the golf course with Uncle.

 

[Glenneel]

Penisini and Russell are forming a good combo. I very much doubt that right side gets changed. I'm worried for Blaize with that massive unit Haumole going to be running straight at him...does anyone suspect a late switch? Dylbro centre and Matto or Carty five eigth?
Going to need to rush him and cut down his time.

It's very exciting...

If Dyl moved to centre (which I highly doubt) wouldn't you move Blaize to 5/8 as played there most thru juniors.

 

[Glenneel]

Let's all put our differences aside in peace today

Happy HARMONY DAY everyone

f**k Harmony Day, bring back the biff!!!

 

[TheRam]

Taylen May is available for next year, no:mention of interest from Parra, a left centre with speed. Would that mean he is asking for more than we value that position.

I believe the Panther have already offered him $500K and there are a number of other clubs that are ready to offer more, so are we willing to offer around $700K for him?

I don't think you could get him for anything less since there will be a couple of desperate clubs willing to offer that kind of money. I suppose we could offer around $600K and see if that is enough to entice him to leave and go to a strong quality club that is not to far away from home so he wouldn't need to uproot his life much and much less disruption. Maybe Potates could do some serious serenading and show the kid some deep and heavy persistent long time love which often can be the difference for some players when the money is comparable or slightly less then other suitors. I wonder is baldy capable of that?

Anyway I don't think our Recruitment Committee are looking his way for some reason even though he is an outstanding talent with his whole future ahead of him. Go figure.

 

[yy_cheng]

I believe the Panther have already offered him $500K and there are a number of other clubs that are ready to offer more, so are we willing to offer around $700K for him?

I don't think you could get him for anything less since there will be a couple of desperate clubs willing to offer that kind of money. I suppose we could offer around $600K and see if that is enough to entice him to leave and go to a strong quality club that is not to far away from home so he wouldn't need to uproot his life much and much less disruption. Maybe Potates could do some serious serenading and show the kid some deep and heavy persistent long time love which often can be the difference for some players when the money is comparable or slightly less then other suitors. I wonder is baldy capable of that?

Anyway I don't think our Recruitment Committee are looking his way for some reason even though he is an outstanding talent with his whole future ahead of him. Go figure.

This is where a 3rd Party could get you over the line. Can't we give him and his wife a new BMW each year? Or unlimited Tingha Yum Cha?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

How many in the top 30 are on minimum and why would you move from one club to another on minimum?

For a multi-year contract. Also, for a player, the difference between $130k and $150k is significant, while that extra $20k is almost negligible in the context of a $12M salary cap.

I'd say not many. In our top 30 I'd say Blaize would be plus Cini, maybe Harper, maybe Taumoepenu and Moretti. So 3-5 or not many.

I agree it's not many, but it wouldn't be the same at every club either. Clubs with better players at the top of their cap would have more players on minimum salary.

 

[TheRam]

Junior league coaching has a lot to do with it.

Also these days a lot of coaches at all levels from NRL to juniors are very impatient with halves.

Moses said it took him 100 games to start to feel comfortable in first grade.

Thankfully we let the good old wests tigers soak up 70 odd games of those for us.

Look at this weekend NRL coaches have dumped 4 Halfbacks already after 2 rounds.

Lachlan Ilias for example is a good defender for a halfback his age which is half the battle but lacks any creativity has he been coached that way from a young level.

That's my point. They aren't being coached/developed at a young enough level correctly to be good enough or ready for NRL level when they are of age and given the chance. From what I've heard, most young playmakers are being over coached and or badly coached and so the kids fail to develop correctly and by the time they are in the mid to late teens it is to late and their natural talents and instincts have been stymied/blunted and they can't then readjust and get them back.

It is a very specialist skill set and it needs to be fostered correctly or else you end up on the scrap heap of burnt out disinterested failed playmakers.

As for Moses I think he would of adjusted better and quicker if he had better coaches around him in those early years too. Coaching and the players around you is everything for a young playmaker.

 

[Tmars]

FWIW I think Blaize will be exposed like that delicious Portuguese bird on the weekend. At least he should be if Manly play well. DCE is no fool so he, Turbo and coach will have done their homework and seen how undeveloped and not NRL ready the kid is and will have or at least should have cooked up a game plan or two to stretch and strip our numbers out wide, especially when we tire and can't scramble quick enough to cover the unfolding play.

What I would have done is put Asi in and had him and Brown train all off season in different scenarios of interchanging between centre and 5/8th. Asi is by far the most talented and NRL ready back cover we have for cover. So we needed to make sure that if we were ever in this predicament and everyone but blind Potates could see that it was a real possibility since we have so little outside back depth, that they and the whole team were familiar and ready for it. Like Cooper Cronk says, to fix a weakness you train till you are dreaming it in your sleep and it becomes instinctive and second nature to you.

But no, instead what we have is lets throw in a junior that is weak and hesitant in traffic under the high ball and not a powerful body by NRL standards for the collision both in attack and defence and against one of the fastest if not the fastest and most powerful teams in the league. Sure he maybe a great talent of the future, but he isn't ready now and I fear we will be handed our arses come Sunday and the poor kid will sadly be a significant contributor towards that outcome.

I don't blame the kid, Potates should know better.

Asi does not like putting his body on the line in defence! Have you seen his missed tackles.
Blaze has no issue with putting his body on the line in defence or attack he has always been that way through juniors and I think he will do the same on Sunday.