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BotanyBorn&Bred

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BA needed to be sacked hasn't improved the club enough to win a premiership and basically had ingrained himself in with the players so we could not sack him.
You just needed to sack a few dud forwards like Paulo, Matterson
Who is Ryles?
Does any of the current crop of players know him?
Have any of the young'uns even heard of him?
Arthur wasn't the problem
 

EelEtric

Juniors
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So as long as he wanted while inside the contracted date.

Also don't think know if you are telling us how it is..
Not sure what you are saying.
Basically his contract for 2024 would have expired 31st Oct 2024, but inserting a PO clause would mean that instead of going to market on 1st Nov 2023, he agreed to stay off the market until X date and decide if he wanted to accept our option for 2025 and beyond (if it went for longer). X date is reached and he has let the PO lapse by not accepting it, so he becomes a free agent and available to talk to anyone based on this contract ending 31st Oct.
 

JokerEel

Coach
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You just needed to sack a few dud forwards like Paulo, Matterson
Who is Ryles?
Does any of the current crop of players know him?
Have any of the young'uns even heard of him?
Arthur wasn't the problem

Why do any of them need to know him?

Bet a lot of the players didn't know BA when he first came on board...

Arthur was part of the problem.
 

Pazza

First Grade
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It’s not a slam dunk, it’s an incentive. It carries risks and benefits. I’d say it is used to minimise salary cap impact for highly paid players or clubs with little room to move under the cap. The downside is the risk that a player falls off a cliff and you’re stuck with him. The downside isn’t that he leaves or negotiates an upgrade.

id say it carries a lot more downside than upside and it has just shown its ugly head yesterday. The biggest downside is that the player has us on the hook till round 10 the following season while free agents are free to negotiate from nov 1. the PO would be a lot less painful if the player had to make a decision by nov 1.

id say the only reason we are offering POs is because we are negotiating from a position of weakness. we are unable to handle player managers and theyre walking all over us. In order to seal the deal we are adding these options and theyre going to make it hard to manage our roster moving forward.

next year we have Dylan, Will and Matto all with POs, which represents over 2mil in the cap.
 

JokerEel

Coach
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Not sure what you are saying.
Basically his contract for 2024 would have expired 31st Oct 2024, but inserting a PO clause would mean that instead of going to market on 1st Nov 2023, he agreed to stay off the market until X date and decide if he wanted to accept our option for 2025 and beyond (if it went for longer). X date is reached and he has let the PO lapse by not accepting it, so he becomes a free agent and available to talk to anyone based on this contract ending 31st Oct.

Yes so basically the player has all the power..

We can't finalize our first grade squad until he makes up his mind. Potential other options aren't going to hang around and wait for Blaize.
 

BotanyBorn&Bred

Juniors
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You watch Nick the Greek get his hooks into Moses, and work his slimy charm on him and promise him a few cars under the table.
Especially when Sam Walker signs with the Broncos
 

EelEtric

Juniors
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Yes so basically the player has all the power..

We can't finalize our first grade squad until he makes up his mind. Potential other options aren't going to hang around and wait for Blaize.
True, finalising a squad is delayed but in reality, there are late season signings every year for every club. It is the nature of the NRL.
 

Pazza

First Grade
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Yes so basically the player has all the power..

We can't finalize our first grade squad until he makes up his mind. Potential other options aren't going to hang around and wait for Blaize.

and we stuck in this situation for the next 3 offseasons with a lot of cap space tied up in POs

there is a reason Lomax didnt get one, the club figured out even before this Talagi shit show the whole concept was a dud
 
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JokerEel

Coach
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True, finalising a squad is delayed but in reality, there are late season signings every year for every club. It is the nature of the NRL.

Of course there is late season signings but typically you have your top 17 sorted for the next year early..
 

Chipmunk

Coach
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Dunster was expected to be top 17 when he signed his current contract. The MO (if activated by him) would be much less. Russell probably isn’t on top 17 money but probably on the amount you’d pay your fifth best outside back. So yes we would have what we offered Talagi, but that could’ve been heavily back ended to reflect the fact we already have three backline spine players contracted for 2025.
I don't believe heavily blackened contracts are allowed any more. If we were averaging $525k per year, he would have to be getting minimum $450k next year, but I'd say $500k is possible.
 

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