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Gronk

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I 'visit' my 'family' in Thailand.

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lingard

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Bird is without doubt a better player but would be more expensive. Moses you would think would command less but is a very competent goalkicker which is what we need.

Ivan Cleary looks like getting the Tigers coaching job. It seems unlikely to me that he will keep all of the 'big four' at the Tigers. My guess is he'll get rid of Brooks (and replace him with his son?) and keep Moses. He'll definitely keep Tedesco. Would we want Brooks? Will we need another half? (I think we will - I don't think Gutherson is going to be quite good enough as a half). I personally wouldn't go after Bird. Great player, but the arthritis will surely be an issue as he gets older. At least it would be a gamble, and we've made too many of those over recent years. Personally I'd prefer Townsend, Adam Reynolds or Ben Hunt (too late).
 

lingard

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Moses has massive potential but he has not shown enough of it yet, any club who pays him over $500k a season for the next couple of years is paying overs based on what he has shown.
Bird has shown he is a class act, tough defender, strong runner, looks more like a lock to me than a 6 or 1.
Bird is worth way more than Moses at present.
As stated many times on fox sports etc the Tigers halves have thier asking prices too high and the only club that will most likely get fooled into paying it is the Tigers.
If Brooks and Moses want big dollars they will stay at the tigers if they want to improve thier footy they will move on the strong club with a better coaching structure.

I think Cleary will get the job and I think there will be a big change (for the better) at the Tigers. They will only keep who they need to keep.
 

T.S Quint

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Ivan Cleary looks like getting the Tigers coaching job. It seems unlikely to me that he will keep all of the 'big four' at the Tigers. My guess is he'll get rid of Brooks (and replace him with his son?) and keep Moses. He'll definitely keep Tedesco. Would we want Brooks? Will we need another half? (I think we will - I don't think Gutherson is going to be quite good enough as a half). I personally wouldn't go after Bird. Great player, but the arthritis will surely be an issue as he gets older. At least it would be a gamble, and we've made too many of those over recent years. Personally I'd prefer Townsend, Adam Reynolds or Ben Hunt (too late).

I hope we don't want Brooks.
He's a poor man's Sandow. Just as poor in defence. Not as good in attack.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Regarding Bird being a better player than Mitch Moses, I agree. However in this case quality isn't the same thing as value. Moses brings a rarer and higher demand set of skills (he is a specialist half) than Bird, meaning he is potentially worth more as a player.

Bird is not a specialist half, and we'll see today that he's not a specialist fullback either.
 

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-de-gois-into-retirement-20170325-gv6f6y.html

Concussion could force Parramatta Eels hooker Isaac De Gois into retirement
Isaac De Gois could be the latest player forced into premature retirement due to concussion as the game prepares to transition to a new SCAT5 protocol to better assess head knocks.

Concussion remains the hottest topic for the NRL following revelations former State of Origin winger James McManus is taking legal action against Newcastle for its handling of his head knocks.

Head office has shown it is taking the issue seriously by fining three clubs – Newcastle, St George Illawarra and the Gold Coast – a total of $350,000 over incidents that occurred last weekend. The most the NRL had previously fined a club for flaunting its concussion protocols was $20,000.

De Gois is still hopeful of returning to the NRL, although he will have to prove to his club and head office that he is medically fit to do so before he gains a clearance. The Parramatta hooker hasn't played since suffering a concussion against the Gold Coast during a preseason fixture in Darwin. De Gois has been suffering from headaches when increasing his training load and the Eels are erring on the side of caution.

The 32-year-old has made 225 first-grade appearances in stints at the Tigers, Sharks, Knights and Eels and appeared an outside chance of reaching the exclusive 300-game mark after agreeing to an extension that would take him through until the end of 2018. Such is the esteem he is held in by Brad Arthur, De Gois received the Jack Gibson NRL coach's award at the club's end-of-season awards night.

The Portuguese international could still return, but the McManus case is a timely reminder of the legal and health implications of concussions.

Like other contact sports, league is looking to improve protocols as new technology and research comes to light. The standardised tool for assessing concussions worldwide is the SCAT3, which includes measures for symptom evaluation, cognitive assessment, and exams for balance and co-ordination.

However, an update will soon be available called SCAT5, which has additional measures and is considered easier to administer. The SCAT5 was one of the topics discussed at the AFL's Concussion Symposium in Melbourne during the week, which was attended by a range of luminaries including NRL chief medical officer Dr Paul Bloomfield.

The SCAT5 will soon be used worldwide, but details are under embargo until they are published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine.

In the interim, the NRL is looking at other potential ways to bolster its own protocols. Head office is considering the prospect of allowing teams an 18th man, who could be called into the fray to replace a concussed player. There are also multiple proposals about the use of independent doctors, although this would likely be in addition to – rather than in place of – club medicos. One option is for an independent doctor to be stationed in the NRL Bunker, providing another set of eyes to monitor the action.

"The idea of an independent doctor at the bunker has been assessed previously," an NRL spokesperson said.

"In fact NRL CMO Dr Paul Bloomfield spent time at the bunker last year in order to assess the feasibility of that option.

"It has also been discussed by the NRL's Medical Advisory Panel.

"The idea will continue to be assessed, along with a number of others."

The NRL said it wanted to be a global leader on the concussion issue.

"We will continue to invest significant time, research and resources into concussion," the spokesperson said.

"So far this season, we have experimented with audio for trainers and doctors, while we are finding new ways to analyse video in real-time.

"The amount of work being done in this area, in a short amount of time and at a substantial cost, is significant.

"But we feel the effort and resources are worthwhile – we want to be world leaders when it comes to concussion management."
 

Poupou Escobar

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I think there defimitely should be a replacement player on top of the interchanges. Obviously it is subject to abuse, but there are a few key positions on the field that you want on the field for 80 minutes and therefore don't want to waste a bench spot on carrying an injury replacement. To discourage abuse of the injury replacement you could rule that the replaced player must miss the next game as a minimum.
 

Joshuatheeel

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I think there defimitely should be a replacement player on top of the interchanges. Obviously it is subject to abuse, but there are a few key positions on the field that you want on the field for 80 minutes and therefore don't want to waste a bench spot on carrying an injury replacement. To discourage abuse of the injury replacement you could rule that the replaced player must miss the next game as a minimum.

It's easy, 2 under 20 players can seat on the bench and they must have played 50 mins in their game prior.
 

Chipmunk

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I think there defimitely should be a replacement player on top of the interchanges. Obviously it is subject to abuse, but there are a few key positions on the field that you want on the field for 80 minutes and therefore don't want to waste a bench spot on carrying an injury replacement. To discourage abuse of the injury replacement you could rule that the replaced player must miss the next game as a minimum.

What if there was nothing wrong with the player or he passed the HIA? Or are you saying the replacement player can only come on if the player is ruled out after the HiA?
 

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It's easy, 2 under 20 players can seat on the bench and they must have played 50 mins in their game prior.

Problem is that opens young kids up to major injuries. What if a 19 year old winds up having to be chucked into FG before his time as a concussion replacement in the seventh minute after playing 65 already? It'll do more harm than good, these kids aren't professional athletes yet.

It would need to be reserve graders IMO.
 

Happy MEel

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Problem is that opens young kids up to major injuries. What if a 19 year old winds up having to be chucked into FG before his time as a concussion replacement in the seventh minute after playing 65 already? It'll do more harm than good, these kids aren't professional athletes yet.

It would need to be reserve graders IMO.
It will work better next year once the 20s is scrapped.
 

Poupou Escobar

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What if there was nothing wrong with the player or he passed the HIA? Or are you saying the replacement player can only come on if the player is ruled out after the HiA?
I'm saying you have one replacement who comes on and the bloke he replaces (for whatever reason) can't come back on and can't play the next week.
 

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