Rumours and Stuff

[Poupou Escobar]

Beau Scott has almost as many offloads, and you panned his attacking game

Scott has only one LBA.

Manu is a great player, but he's no more creative than the average back rower IMO. His strength is his running game, he's fast, strong, and good on his feet.

Drawing attackers is critical to creativity. A ball player who can't commit defenders just puts his support runners under pressure.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

No...Ive said. moylan is the top 3 ball player in game but a bit soft...
Cartwright makes errors but nost dangerous ball playing second rower .Fix mistake could be a great.He is a rare player.

And both ordinary defenders.

Manu is not as great a defender as jackson.Why i stated his game all round is best.

True Ma'u is not as good as Jackson in defence, but he's close, and a much better attacking player.

And comparing defense when in a different team is kind of unfair.If your in a better team your defense looks better as getting pushed back less and have not as many attacking raids.
All these guys are great players.It is about how you use them more then anything.Manu runnings of moylan would be some site i tell you that.Norman lacks crisp ball playing and perhaps a frizzel would suit his style more imo

Ma'u gets early ball out wide more than any other edge forward. We also have a short side play designed specifically for Ma'u's skills that very few forwards could pull off. Ken Edwards actually does the same play on the right hand side. Obviously Cartwright could do it as well.

 

[The Colonel]

Am I one of few who really doesn't get the Bryce Cartwright wank fest? Good off load and does some good things but can get lazy defensively and if he cops a good hit he disappears for a bit.

I actually think Leilani Latu is more dangerous for them and probably would benefit from being used out wide. He has a good passing game for a big player, hits hard and runs great lines. Cartwright is grabbing a lot of head lines and he had some good games at 5/8 but I think the likes of Latu, Fisher-Harris and Campbell-Gillard have bigger futures.

Latu should be playing for NSW well before Cartwright IMO.

 

[Bazal]

Am I one of few who really doesn't get the Bryce Cartwright wank fest? Good off load and does some good things but can get lazy defensively and if he cops a good hit he disappears for a bit.

I actually think Leilani Latu is more dangerous for them and probably would benefit from being used out wide. He has a good passing game for a big player, hits hard and runs great lines. Cartwright is grabbing a lot of head lines and he had some good games at 5/8 but I think the likes of Latu, Fisher-Harris and Campbell-Gillard have bigger futures.

Latu should be playing for NSW well before Cartwright IMO.

Nope, I agree entirely. Cartwright reminds me quite a bit of Mateo, except he's still young enough that he could be a star. But you're right, he's a horrible defender IMO and he's lazy in attack and defence. And he always seems to take the low percentage option, so when it comes off he looks amazing but more often than not it doesn't come off

 

[Rxchiie]

I feel bad for Jamal Fogarty, hasn't got much of a chance to show his attacking game play

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Am I one of few who really doesn't get the Bryce Cartwright wank fest? Good off load and does some good things but can get lazy defensively and if he cops a good hit he disappears for a bit.

The casual fan and commentators only care about the attack of a player and the more flashy it is the more they'll talk them up.

But then again the panthers game plan isn't built around their defence, so his horrible defence isn't as noticeable. If he were playing for Parra where our style is built around a fast defensive line and strong initial contact a weak-link in the defence would be found out straight away.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Manu is a great player, but he's no more creative than the average back rower IMO. His strength is his running game, he's fast, strong, and good on his feet.

What's a creative back-rower? Do you just mean a player who takes risks?

 

[Bazal]

What's a creative back-rower? Do you just mean a player who takes risks?

I mean a back rower with some play-making ability. There are a few around. Cartwright, Sutton, Wade Graham for example. Ma'u has nice hands and good footwork but he's not especially creative for his position, there are plenty of back rowers you could say the same of. What Manu does is practiced and polished, he's very good at getting outside his man and getting the ball to his centre but I wouldn't say that makes him creative, just skillful. IMO of course.

 

[The Colonel]

Nope, I agree entirely. Cartwright reminds me quite a bit of Mateo, except he's still young enough that he could be a star. But you're right, he's a horrible defender IMO and he's lazy in attack and defence. And he always seems to take the low percentage option, so when it comes off he looks amazing but more often than not it doesn't come off

The casual fan and commentators only care about the attack of a player and the more flashy it is the more they'll talk them up.

But then again the panthers game plan isn't built around their defence, so his horrible defence isn't as noticeable. If he were playing for Parra where our style is built around a fast defensive line and strong initial contact a weak-link in the defence would be found out straight away.

The Mateo reference is a good one.

He has time on his side but once sides work him out if he doesn't he will be a liability rather than an asset.

Queensland would love to see him selected IMO. Shirt grabber at best and relies on a retreating defence. Rarely does the defence retreat in Origin.

 

[The Colonel]

I mean a back rower with some play-making ability. There are a few around. Cartwright, Sutton, Wade Graham for example. Ma'u has nice hands and good footwork but he's not especially creative for his position, there are plenty of back rowers you could say the same of. What Manu does is practiced and polished, he's very good at getting outside his man and getting the ball to his centre but I wouldn't say that makes him creative, just skillful. IMO of course.

Agree.

Edwards does more with the ball in his hand.

Ma'u isnt overly creative but what he does do most often is beat the first line so he attracts in more defenders. He suits the team that we have and does great work down the short side and out of our own end.

 

[Chipmunk]

I feel bad for Jamal Fogarty, hasn't got much of a chance to show his attacking game play

Certainly not a game for him to shine, but for mine the best we can hope for him is that he doesn't miss one game for Wenty.

Is he really any better than Kelly or Cornish? I think that's pretty line ball to be honest.

 

[The Colonel]

Oh and I doubt The Fog will be playing much first grade outside of injury or poor form.

Certainly not a game for him to shine, but for mine the best we can hope for him is that he doesn't miss one game for Wenty.

Is he really any better than Kelly or Cornish? I think that's pretty line ball to be honest.

Yeah. Not expecting massive things from him. This is the first game I have managed to see him play. I am thinking there might have been a bit of celebrating last week. They were soundly beaten but in saying that the halves were let down by a forward pack that was turned around and not allowed to gain much room. As it got into garbage time they started to get a little bit more room.

 

[Bazal]

I think he has potential. He obviously has the right attitude, he never gave up. And he has some raw skills. He's obviously a bit of a project, and he has the right attitude for a successful project player IMO. He's definitely not in the frame to start the year in first grade but I also wouldn't be surprised to see him force his way in at some stage.

 

[hindy111]

Cartwright is a hopeless 5/8. Hard to judge his 2nd half of season as spent most of it there.Plenty of panther fan friends say he should be on bench. He is a hard runner of the ball thou and needs to remember thats his job. The fancy stuff is for close to line and on 4th or 5th. He is 21yld.
Oozes talent big and strong and wish we had him.He will learn. At 6'3 & 106kgs with ability to keep ball alive.
Mateo had the world at his feet.But lazy.Thats the difference.Mateo should of gone further.Wasted talent

 

[Bazal]

Mateo had the world at his feet.But lazy.Thats the difference.

So you're saying there is no difference? I agree, Cartwright is as talented and lazy as Mateo was.

 

[Avenger]

Are we keeping Cornish?

 

[hindy111]

And both ordinary defenders.
Moylan isnt big enough, but he will win you more games then his defense will cost you.

Bryce will be fine.Give him 2 years.

True Ma'u is not as good as Jackson in defence, but he's close, and a much better attacking player.

No not close.Jackson is a beast. Best in buisness.Manu solid.Ke better defender.

Ma'u gets early ball out wide more than any other edge forward. We also have a short side play designed specifically for Ma'u's skills that very few forwards could pull off. Ken Edwards actually does the same play on the right hand side. Obviously Cartwright could do it as well.

Manu best part is he doesnt stop and never has a soft run. An he wants the ball. Guys a demon.

Tepai is not being used right. He isnt put one the end of backline moves and one on one like frizell or papali. Norman doesnt isolate other teams defense well enough for a guy like tepai to look good

 

[Fanbase]

Scott has only one LBA.


Drawing attackers is critical to creativity. A ball player who can't commit defenders just puts his support runners under pressure.

Ur insight knows no ends.......

 

[hindy111]

So you're saying there is no difference? I agree, Cartwright is as talented and lazy as Mateo was.

Look 4 yrs ago i asked who people thought be better.Cartwright or tanginoa.

In 5 yrs time lets see where cartwright is. Guys just a kid. He coukd be best forward in nrl.Time will tell .He may flop.I doubt it thou

 

[Fanbase]

Am I one of few who really doesn't get the Bryce Cartwright wank fest? Good off load and does some good things but can get lazy defensively and if he cops a good hit he disappears for a bit.

I actually think Leilani Latu is more dangerous for them and probably would benefit from being used out wide. He has a good passing game for a big player, hits hard and runs great lines. Cartwright is grabbing a lot of head lines and he had some good games at 5/8 but I think the likes of Latu, Fisher-Harris and Campbell-Gillard have bigger futures.

Latu should be playing for NSW well before Cartwright IMO.

do u watch footy?