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I attended just as many sessions as 60s through the year.
The mechanics were probably 2% of the training component. 60s commented on it as it was new to what we have seen in the last 3 years of watching them train, and AFL guy was happy to take the time and explain what it was all about. Shame on 60s for sharing it with you..
As a result of this hamstring injuries were down and the hamstring injuries that did occur were of a lower grade.
On the last day of training before Christmas the team had a 100m time trial. Every player ran a personal best. Bev's time would have qualified him for the Commonwealth games
 

hindy111

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It goes on in another places too...

-they’re brain capacity only allows them to read a few sentences
- 1 of them calls for the coach to be beaten in public and in some cases members of his family
- every dope jumps on board
- they pull out the chains, pitchforks and clubs
- repeat


The one thing I see getting repeated.

Eels sign a 29yld+ on a long term big dollar deal.
A few jnrs get snapped up by other clubs.
Eels finish wrong end of ladder.

Brian Smith always had a few guys inline to step up. Heck I even recall when he dropped Ridell and a few other big names all in one week. I am supportive of BA. I aknowledge he is limited in inteligence but I reckon Doug Pedersen also was. Doug won the superbowl and took risks.Difference was he turned individuals into a team and it seems to me BA has a divided group.
BA has enough however to get job done with right support. He defended calls of to small a pack by critics at start of season. He used 2017 as an example. He ended up with egg all over face. Did he learn from it? Yes he recruited Ferguson and Jnr. I reckon Fergo is a steal at 500k. It is also a lesson and mistake BA wont make again so is better for it. He needs a mentor. Like I said a B.Smith or P.Gould would be excellent.

I will tell you all something else about footy. You always need a relative new squad every 2 yrs. Otherwise the group becomes stale. Keep a solid core and churn the rest around.
 

Gronk

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Bev's time would have qualified him for the Commonwealth games

Jimmy Jet, The Fox and others seem to get the praise these days for being the speedsters. I was thinking that he lost speed after that knee injury. Now you post this. *confused*
 
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Jimmy Jet, The Fox and others seem to get the praise these days for being the speedsters. I was thinking that he lost speed after that knee injury. Now you post this. *confused*

Well he never got himself involved enough for any chance to burn anybody. Against Mounties in ISP both wingers showed him the sideline and he left them for dead. Also the time trial was in December and he would have been fresh
 

Glenneel

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Jerome Luai is a type of player that will come out of the blocks firing but needs to develop a good platform passing running etc.. He could be a 200+ first grader or another Nathan Gardener ..

Salmon I am not sold on I think he is slowly being introduced, not to over do it and lose all confidence.. His support play is good could be a good foil at 5/8 next season with Moses if Norman leaves.

Niaukore - Will play for NZ!
With you on Salmon, hasn't shown much except he can tackle, which is good in a team so defensively poor as Parra. Nuikore I'm not so sure about. Runs strongly but needs an offload and a few brains to become a good player. BA must teach the forwards to run at players because few run into holes.
 

Glenneel

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From that article, this quote from Norman made me laugh.
“We are both dominant halves and playmakers and both want the ball at the same time and sometimes that doesn’t work but we have to figure something out really quick and how that is going to work.”
Norman mightn't have been at his best this year but Moses has been absolute shit most of the time. BA must really be a poor coach when he has 2 good halves and most of the time they play as strangers.
 

emjaycee

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The one thing I see getting repeated.

Eels sign a 29yld+ on a long term big dollar deal.
A few jnrs get snapped up by other clubs.
Eels finish wrong end of ladder.

Brian Smith always had a few guys inline to step up. Heck I even recall when he dropped Ridell and a few other big names all in one week. I am supportive of BA. I aknowledge he is limited in inteligence but I reckon Doug Pedersen also was. Doug won the superbowl and took risks.Difference was he turned individuals into a team and it seems to me BA has a divided group.
BA has enough however to get job done with right support. He defended calls of to small a pack by critics at start of season. He used 2017 as an example. He ended up with egg all over face. Did he learn from it? Yes he recruited Ferguson and Jnr. I reckon Fergo is a steal at 500k. It is also a lesson and mistake BA wont make again so is better for it. He needs a mentor. Like I said a B.Smith or P.Gould would be excellent.

I will tell you all something else about footy. You always need a relative new squad every 2 yrs. Otherwise the group becomes stale. Keep a solid core and churn the rest around.
Just for the point of discussion, in the 10 years he was coaching us, Smith introduced 117 new players to Parramatta (that's an average of 11 per year FFS).
Of those, there was 60 in his first 5 years (1997-2001) and of those 60 about half (28) were NRL debutants and 32 were bought from somewhere else having already played first grade.

In his first 5 years here, BA has introduced 41 players to Parramatta (average 8 per year). 12 debutants and 29 purchased from elsewhere.

FYI here is the list of Smiths debutants in his first 5 years. Some didn't end up much, too many went elsewhere and had long careers and the ones we kept that played lots of NRL are easy to pick.

** 577 Karl Lovell 1997
** 581 Daniel Brown 1997
** 582 Nathan Koina 1997
** 583 Eparama Navale 1997
** 584 Andrew Frew 1997
** 585 Nathan Cayless 1997
** 586 Leon Douglas 1997
** 588 Dennis Moran 1997
** 589 Jamie Owens 1998
** 595 Nathan Hindmarsh 1998
** 596 Michael Vella 1998
** 597 Michael Hodgson 1998

** 598 Casey McGuire 1998
** 602 Luke Burt 1999
** 605 Ian Hindmarsh 1999
** 607 David Vaealiki 1999
** 608 Eric Grothe Jnr 1999

** 609 Jay Bandy 1999
** 614 Wade L'Estrange 2000
** 615 Andrew Ryan 2000
** 617 Chad Robinson 2000
** 618 PJ Marsh 2000
** 619 Pat Richards 2000
** 620 Daniel Irvine 2000
** 621 Jason Cayless 2000
** 622 Jamie Lyon 2000

** 623 John Wilson 2000
** 624 Adam Wheeler 2000
** 631 Danny Sullivan 2001
 
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Gary Gutful

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Thats pretty much how most things roll around here
- read a few sentences
- blow it out of proportion
- everyone else jumps onboard
- widespread outrage and ridicule
- repeat
This should form part of an information pack that Twiz provides to new members.
 

Glenneel

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I was told on tct that the coaching staff was off limits because they made the top 4. I was also banned for commenting on Arthur's purchasing of players who were past it like Watmough on a 4 year deal or Scott 3 years, & the juniors situation earlier in the year.

I have not seen one negative comment relating to our roster management, club recruitment or or the lack of foresight concerning our smallish forward pack or why Bernie Gurr made himself head of football after he spent most of the last decade overseas. Surely he would have been out of touch with the who's who of the NRL with emphasis junior recruitment
You're probably right there. I commented before season started that with our roster and the loss of Semi that we'd overachieve if we made the finals. I tried to find that after I was critical of club early in season, as I was criticised for jumping on the band wagon, but couldn't find it, so was it deleted?
 
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But did the running mechanics cause all our injuries?
I wouldn't know but parrathruandthru reckons no.
I attended just as many sessions as 60s through the year.
The mechanics were probably 2% of the training component. 60s commented on it as it was new to what we have seen in the last 3 years of watching them train, and AFL guy was happy to take the time and explain what it was all about. Shame on 60s for sharing it with you..
As a result of this hamstring injuries were down and the hamstring injuries that did occur were of a lower grade.
On the last day of training before Christmas the team had a 100m time trial. Every player ran a personal best. Bev's time would have qualified him for the Commonwealth games
 

TheRam

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Brian Smith's role at the Warriors. We could do a lot worse then bring this guys back home.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/li...o-in-warriors-resurgence-20180907-p502dt.html

Life of Brian: Smith the unsung hero in Warriors' resurgence

Brian Smith, having discarded the clipboard once and for all, is literally whistling while he works.

“It is very different,” Smith said of his latest role, as the football manager for the resurgent Warriors. “I go to games now whistling. The radio on my car sound system is blowing up.

“When I’m driving home after the game is over, I’m doing the same thing after a win or a loss.
“It’s just a completely different feel. I care ... my contract is just like everybody else’s. I’m not going to have one if we’re not winning. But the pressures and the build-up to the game are completely different.

“I’m really enjoying being out of the limelight and the media, living a humbler sort of life. I’m totally at ease with that.”

Smith has coached the best part of 700 games in the NRL and the Super League over the course of more than three decades. There was very little whistling going on during that period as he searched for an elusive premiership. By his own admission, the 64-year-old has mellowed since giving up the coaching caper.

“I’m a grandfather now,” he said. That’s what I say to my mum about the [latest] job - the difference is I am like I am with my grandkids at the football club.

“I’m there, I’m ready to help and do my bit. But at the end of the day, they’re not my kids and I’m happy to give them back, to not have that responsibility.

“I love them in a different kind of way to how I love my own kids.”

There are many reasons why the Warriors are playing finals football for the first time in seven years. If Melbourne is the place players go to get better, the opposite is said of the Warriors. Only now are new recruits Blake Green, Adam Blair and Tohu Harris beginning to change that perception.

Strength and conditioning coach Alex Corvo is another astute acquisition, whipping the players into shape during the off season. Recruiter Peter O’Sullivan - “he’s as good as anyone in our game ever,” offered Smith - has stemmed the loss of Kiwi talent across the Tasman after joining the club in May. Chief executive Cameron George, meanwhile, has provided more stability to the front office. All have been given due credit for their contributions.

Smith has also played his part. The enormity of the task to turn around the club was laid bare during a warts-and-all football department review before his arrival.

“It wasn’t pretty reading,” Smith said. “It was pretty harsh, some of the stuff that was uncovered and spoken about.”

It became evident that Stephen Kearney had too much on his plate. Smith’s job was to lighten the load, allowing the coach to focus solely on coaching. The pair spoke about the task for six months before Smith finally accepted the position. During that period, they nutted out how the relationship would work.

“It’s stuff that I’ve done before, which is why I know it can be distracting,” Smith said of the periphery issues that modern coaches often get lumped with.

“In many parts of my career it got left to me, I did all that stuff and coached the team. The demands on head coaches now are off the Richter scale.

“That happened to me. I can recall at the back end of my career at Parra in 2006, I realised at the end of that period of my time that it had gone way past the days where a head coach could be all over junior representative footy and that sort of stuff.

“Even the recruitment stuff was really [taxing]. For me, I’m really happy because I just didn’t have the energy any more or feel I had the connection to it within myself to do what’s got to be done [as a head coach] at the level it’s got to be done, every week.”

Some coaches may have felt threatened by the prospect of having one of the most experienced mentors of all time at the same club. However, Smith had no interest playing in Kearney’ sand pit.

“We work really well together by not working together very much, if you know what I mean,” Smith said.

The Warriors finished the season in eighth spot, just one win behind the minor premiers. They will take on Penrith in what will be their first finals appearance since 2011. The Warriors have done this before, teasing the rugby league world with their potential. Smith’s job is to ensure finals appearances become the norm rather than the exception.

“A bad year needs to be a bit like Melbourne, where they finish fourth or fifth but still somehow finish up in the grand final,” Smith said.

There is no reason why they can’t. Smith points to the fact that 42 per cent of all NRL players are eligible to play for New Zealand. That a population of 1.6 million Aucklanders has enough athletic talent to sustain not only the All Blacks but the Warriors as well. And that the Warriors now have an ownership structure that can make the club sustainable long term. The latest playoff appearance may just be the first step, but it’s an important one for a club starved of success.

“We had some guys who are full-grown men with tears in their eyes after that game that got us into the playoffs,” Smith said.

“They didn’t know whether to go yippee-yahoo or cry. It was just awesome, that feeling for those who had worked hard. For them it’s taken six or seven years to get the joy, the rewards, for all of that hard work.

“There’s nothing better in professional life.”

It can, of course, be topped with a maiden premiership. Perhaps that is an achievement that would be as satisfying as if he had coached a team to a title himself?

“I never did that, so I’ll never know the comparison."
 

Gronk

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But did the running mechanics cause all our injuries?
I think you watch enough footy to know that injuries (and certainly our injuries) mainly involve ribs, cheekbone and eye socket bone bruising / fractures, ACL / MCL / PCL from twisting in tackles, shoulders and elbows from hyper-extension or impact, twisted ankles (syndesmosis). Hammys, but not many.

For example

Rnd 4
Jarryd Hayne - Quad - Round 9
Kane Evans - Ribs - Round 6
Bevan French - Shoulder - Round 6
Greg Leleisiuao - Ankle - Round 7
Jaeman Salmon - Neck - Round 5
Clint Gutherson - Knee - Round 8
Brad Takairangi - Eye Socket - Round 10

Rnd 14
Mitch Moses – Knee – Round 16
Will Smith – Hamstring – Round 16
Greg Leleisiuao - Thumb - Round 15
Kaysa Pritchard – Groin – Round 15
Tony Williams - ACL – Season
Beau Scott – ACL - Season

Rnd 25
Peni Terepo – Hamstring - Season
Daniel Alvaro – Knee – Season
Will Smith – Hamstring – Season
Nathan Brown – Knee – Season
Kaysa Pritchard – Shoulder – Season
Manu Ma'u - Cheekbone – Season
Tony Williams - ACL – Season
Beau Scott – ACL - Season

Over to you.
 

TheRam

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I am stating an opinion on what club needs and why I think we are failing. This year was nothing short of a disaster. Atrocious. 5 win with this squad. So guys like me or Ram get called muppets and deathriders. We just express ourself a little differently
We are a team of individuals and individuals wont create a miracle. There is no team. Just men collecting pay cheques. More experienced guys can see the same mistakes repeating. We lack hunger and desire due to the type of characters BA put together. Nothing wrong with their individual skill level If only we can unlock these guys spirits and turn them into hungry wild beasts.


Oh but Hindy, I express myself to arrogantly and angrily. How dare I. That just isn't acceptable, especially after JUST 30+ years without anything but multiple wooden spoons, fines, points deductions, incompetent rogue and illegal boards, nightmare coach hiring's and insane player recruitment and retention strategies.

Like I said "how dare I have the squirts or behave disdainfully and overbearing" when apologists keep excusing our great and powerhouse club. What's wrong with ME!

I must be the problem, cos our club has been delivering rainbows and pots of diamonds out of its backside for all the fans to enjoy, FOREVER!

I'm just the bitter and crazy nutter that will spit in the eye of the greatest success story in the NRL also known as the Magnificent Parramatta Eels. The team that MARVELS and WOWS the fans like no other.

WOW!!!
 
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Twizzle

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I remember when Smithy was coaching us the chorus of deathriders couldn't wait to see the back of him.

Now we seem to have gone full circle with some of the same people wanting him back.

I wonder how many will want BA back as HOF in 10 years time.
 

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