Rumours and Stuff

[Jake the snake]

Poor Jarryd.

Not saying Hayne was guilty or not but I cannot understand how the second jury found him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Same result that happened to Debelin should have happened with Hayne.

 

[hindy111]

Mental illness

If they were in such an arrangement it would be due to a power imbalance. She is the mother of his children ffs

It's not my choice. But I see a lot of people in these open / polymourus relationships. I'm not religious but was raised as a catholic so probably some of those ways of life's still are ingrained in me.

There is also the possibility there are only together for the child's benefit and happy for each other to explore other sexual avenues.
Your way is most common. But it isn't the only way people live and we can not be sure what is right or wrong better or worse. It is just different.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Not saying Hayne was guilty or not but I cannot understand how the second jury found him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Same result that happened to Debelin should have happened with Hayne.

Well, neither of us actually sat through the trial and heard all of the presented evidence. So who knows what is 'reasonable doubt'. Intuitively I sorta agree with you, but it's not a very well-informed hunch.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Whilst not being patient was an issue, there is only one reason why we started to press the panic button - Manly scored quick points against us and we found ourselves in the unfamiliar position of having to chase points. And Waqa Blake was one of the main reasons Manly scored those quick points against us in the first place. Not hard to join the dots. And the same thing will likely happen again against Souths. The fix is simple: Dylan Brown back in at five-eight, and Marata back at centre - then we can get our premiership campaign back on track and worry about speed in the backline next year. The way we've played so far this year, lack of speed has not been a major problem. I think the coaching staff have adapted well to our lack of speed, actually.

Blake's fault was it?

First try:


Blake was forced to come in to cover Keppie, leaving a 3-on-1 outside him. Should he have let Keppie stroll through on his inside shoulder?

Second try:


We had enough numbers on the inside to cover Schuster and Lawton ffs. If Blake had put himself in front of the lead runner, Schuster would've passed out the back for the 3-on-1 again. At least if Arthur's had gotten his body in front of Lawton we had a better chance of stopping a 3-on-2.

In both cases you'll note the huge gap between the furthest middle defender still involved in the play (Nathan Brown) and those middles who took the opportunity to have a breather. If the middles had pushed harder to start with, the edge defenders would have been able to adjust earlier and we wouldn't have been faced with such an overlap.

The final try was just an arsey bounce. We had plenty of cover back there to clean it up.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well, neither of us actually sat through the trial and heard all of the presented evidence. So who knows what is 'reasonable doubt'. Intuitively I sorta agree with you, but it's not a very well-informed hunch.

I feel like Hayne's own evidence, reported in the media, were enough to incriminate him. He knew she didn't want to have sex (his words) but he kept trying. That's sexual assault.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I feel like Hayne's own evidence, reported in the media, were enough to incriminate him. He knew she didn't want to have sex (his words) but he kept trying. That's sexual assault.

He wasn't done for keeping trying to have sex with her though. He was done for the specific act alleged, which may or may not have arisen from an initial act that was consented to. (In layperson's terms, went down for the growl with some implied consent, then did things that went beyond what was consented to)

 

[gaffer]

can duffty play centre he's on the outer at st George has plenty of speed

 

[Poupou Escobar]

He wasn't done for keeping trying to have sex with her though. He was done for the specific act alleged, which may or may not have arisen from an initial act that was consented to. (In layperson's terms, went down for the growl with some implied consent, then did things that went beyond what was consented to)

I think when consent to any given act is withdrawn, it's fair to say the defendant doesn't have a leg to stand on when arguing there was 'partial consent'.

 

[Twizzle]

Mental illness

If they were in such an arrangement it would be due to a power imbalance. She is the mother of his children ffs

so what ?

Not everyone in an open relationship is due to a power imbalance

 

[Avenger]

I feel like Hayne's own evidence, reported in the media, were enough to incriminate him. He knew she didn't want to have sex (his words) but he kept trying. That's sexual assault.

Spot on.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I think when consent to any given act is withdrawn, it's fair to say the defendant doesn't have a leg to stand on when arguing there was 'partial consent'.

I'm just referring to your citing of the fact that Hayne said that he knew that the lady didn't want to have sex (I'm assuming that meant sex in the fullest sense of the word). He could conceivably have known that the lady didn't want to go that far, but believed (and potentially correctly) that she was happy to do other stuff, and so I'm not sure that he's guilty purely on the basis of his own evidence. Presumably he has been found guilty based on the totality of the evidence.

 

[hindy111]

I feel like Hayne's own evidence, reported in the media, were enough to incriminate him. He knew she didn't want to have sex (his words) but he kept trying. That's sexual assault.

What if they say no sex but happy to fool around then in heat of moment sex takes place?

 

[hindy111]

Blake's fault was it?

First try:


Blake was forced to come in to cover Keppie, leaving a 3-on-1 outside him. Should he have let Keppie stroll through on his inside shoulder?

Second try:


We had enough numbers on the inside to cover Schuster and Lawton ffs. If Blake had put himself in front of the lead runner, Schuster would've passed out the back for the 3-on-1 again. At least if Arthur's had gotten his body in front of Lawton we had a better chance of stopping a 3-on-2.

In both cases you'll note the huge gap between the furthest middle defender still involved in the play (Nathan Brown) and those middles who took the opportunity to have a breather. If the middles had pushed harder to start with, the edge defenders would have been able to adjust earlier and we wouldn't have been faced with such an overlap.

The final try was just an arsey bounce. We had plenty of cover back there to clean it up.

Looking at these Matterson had the ball player covered and Arthurs come in which forced Blake to leave his man and come in.Arthurs fault on both imo.

 

[Noise]

can duffty play centre he's on the outer at st George has plenty of speed

f**k no. Imagine Waqa Blake’s defence but twice as bad.

 

[hindy111]

I'm just referring to your citing of the fact that Hayne said that he knew that the lady didn't want to have sex (I'm assuming that meant sex in the fullest sense of the word). He could conceivably have known that the lady didn't want to go that far, but believed (and potentially correctly) that she was happy to do other stuff, and so I'm not sure that he's guilty purely on the basis of his own evidence. Presumably he has been found guilty based on the totality of the evidence.

Lets be honest here. She was happy to sleep with him and had he hung out with her for the night and stayed over he would of and none of this happened.
What girl wants a guy to just come around do his load and leave? Very foul behaviour. Huge mood killer for anyone tbh.
Most likely scenario is what happened. She wasn't in mood and didn't know how to react when he forced himself on her. Left confused on what do.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Lets be honest here. She was happy to sleep with him and had he hung out with her for the night and stayed over he would of and none of this happened.
What girl wants a guy to just come around do his load and leave? Very foul behaviour. Huge mood killer for anyone tbh.
Most likely scenario is what happened. She wasn't in mood and didn't know how to react when he forced himself on her. Left confused on what do.

I'm not speculating on what happened. Just responding to another comment saying that JH's own evidence made him guilty.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

so what ?

Not everyone in an open relationship is due to a power imbalance

Well I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt. When I see open relationships I'm seeing emotional abuse.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I'm just referring to your citing of the fact that Hayne said that he knew that the lady didn't want to have sex (I'm assuming that meant sex in the fullest sense of the word).

In 2021 this bit in parentheses is discriminatory against lesbians and anyone else who doesn't engage in penis-to-vagina/anus penetrative sex.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What if they say no sex but happy to fool around then in heat of moment sex takes place?

Then you better hope I'm not peering through the blinds because I'll be straight on to the Crime Stoppers anonymous tip line.

 

[Avenger]

I hear we are not looking at any players with any $$ profile. Penisini is the next cab off the rank, apparently.