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84 Baby

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How are we paying for it exactly ?
We structured contracts with the right players at the right time to have a decent crack 2020-2022, now we have to pay for that “success”. It’s the old “salary cap biting the successful teams”, except we weren’t as successful as we hoped.
We have POs to Blaize (expired), Brown, Moses, Matto* and Penisni.

I hope they all want to stay. If they don't then they will make it clear well prior to November the year before their exercise window opens/closes the year after, as their manager will be out there looking for deals. There are no secrets in the NRL.
What incentive do they have to make it well clear their intentions? You say there are no secrets but there is plenty of misinformation, particularly from player agents. Even if their intention the whole time is to stay, it’s in their interest to play it out to the last day to try to scare an upgraded contract out.
If these players did not have options, then we would still be making offers trying to keep them before November.

The only risk that a club runs is that a player turns to shit and you don't want him. That's why you don't offer a PO to Lumelume and do offer an option to Blaize.

* Sorry haters. He played well on Saturday.
That’s not the only risk. In fact really the only win scenario is if the player plays exactly as warranted by the option value, or if the player exceeds the value, you’ve built in the likelihood of an upgraded contract into your overall salary cap.
 

lingard

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Over It Ugh GIF
Where can I get one of those? It's very calming.
 

Gronk

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We structured contracts with the right players at the right time to have a decent crack 2020-2022, now we have to pay for that “success”. It’s the old “salary cap biting the successful teams”, except we weren’t as successful as we hoped.
That’s an opinion, which is fine.
What incentive do they have to make it well clear their intentions? You say there are no secrets but there is plenty of misinformation, particularly from player agents. Even if their intention the whole time is to stay, it’s in their interest to play it out to the last day to try to scare an upgraded contract out.
Ok so the scenario you are painting is the possibility that we are left in the dark for X months between November and the (unknown) option exercise window. That is assuming, that the option exercise window is after November in the year prior to the final contract year. Sure.
That’s not the only risk. In fact really the only win scenario is if the player plays exactly as warranted by the option value, or if the player exceeds the value, you’ve built in the likelihood of an upgraded contract into your overall salary cap.
If the player has no PO and his value exceeds his last contract, then to compete with the market you might have to pay more. With PO, if the player exceeds his value (as noted in the option for the next tranche) and he opts not to exercise his option, then you may have to pay more anyway (Blaize).
 

84 Baby

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That’s an opinion, which is fine.
My opinion is fine. Thanks
Ok so the scenario you are painting is the possibility that we are left in the dark for X months between November and the (unknown) option exercise window. That is assuming, that the option exercise window is after November in the year prior to the final contract year. Sure.
The scenario I’m painting is the reality where currently the benefit is with those with options. We’ve used up our side of the benefit.
If the player has no PO and his value exceeds his last contract, then to compete with the market you might have to pay more. With PO, if the player exceeds his value (as noted in the option for the next tranche) and he opts not to exercise his option, then you may have to pay more anyway (Blaize).
True so where in lies the advantage other than in the 2 scenarios I stated?
 
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Be careful demanding sources for every opinion mate. That river of shit flows both ways. Ball's in your court, smartarse.
You were putting across your opinion as fact again. So it was open to question, and was questioned by other posters.

Just because you offer a fact, sorry opinion... and someone questions you, doesn't mean that you have a right to be defensive, offended and apparently upset.

Perhaps you should just use an "I think" or "Perhaps" in future before your opinions-stated-like-facts, and we'll all be hunky dory ☺️
 

DaveMc

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We will never be the Roosters so don't even compare. They are the second biggest club in the game after Melbourne.
This is rubbish, by the way. The Roosters were dogshit for plenty of years - they had a near 30 year premiership drought between the mid-70s to the early-2000s. What changed? Good administrators, good operators, and heavier spending.

Parramatta could be a powerhouse with the right people in the right positions. Throwing our hands up and saying “this is as good as it gets” is bullshit, but explains the predicament of the club for the better part of 40 years.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Waiting until things get better isn’t a contingency plan that should be accepted.
I think the focus now should be on the roster. Non-playing staff have proven their ability to build a good roster in the past, and they have bought themselves time with the axing of the scapegoat.
 

Poupou Escobar

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This is rubbish, by the way. The Roosters were dogshit for plenty of years - they had a near 30 year premiership drought between the mid-70s to the early-2000s. What changed?
Number one fan Politis went from sponsor to generalissimo. That's what changed.
Good administrators, good operators, and heavier spending.
All relied on extra resourcing. Social, financial, geographical.
Parramatta could be a powerhouse with the right people in the right positions. Throwing our hands up and saying “this is as good as it gets” is bullshit, but explains the predicament of the club for the better part of 40 years.
No, it describes the predicament of the club. Until our highly influential non-employee decision makers emerge from the populace, we will remain who we are.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Option clauses are basically an "escape clause" for a player for any reason they might fancy at those point(s) in the future (e.g. change of coach, desire to move to a different city), while guaranteeing them some sense of longer term income security if the option(s) aren't taken up.

Smart negotiating on the player's side, for sure.
Source?!?!?
 
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