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Poupou Escobar

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Legal Eel said:
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How depressed will you be if parra win a comp under Ryles and your endless defence of cousin Brad is undermined?

Luckily for you, it any not happen next year so you have at least a year of beautiful, blissful raw dog trolling ahead of you!
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I'll be stoked if we win the comp. But unless we are consistent minor premiership contenders, any grand final win will be lucky. Like the Tigers in 2005. Any of our previous grand final losing coaches (Smith, Anderson, Arthur) could have achieved that one extra win, if they had more luck. Hopefully Ryles gets that luck, or even better, the club gets stronger and we challenge for minor premierships, with points differential of +200 or more.
 
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hindy111 said:
It is about moments not stats.
Like Martin he come up big in key moments. Some important tackles, some excellent catches.
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It's just because he's an edge player.
A try assist when up by 30 goes down as the same stat as a Try assist to win a game. But one is more important. It's called clutch.
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It just means he's in a strong defensive side. The same try assist when you're behind by 30 means nothing because the game is already away from you. When the game is close teams still break tackles and score tries. But it feels like it has more meaning because the score was close. But it's still attackers running the ball and defenders trying to stop them. It's just that humans are inclined to build a narrative around it, to help us draw lessons from it. But we are mostly wrong with these narratives, and in 2024 we don't need to be wrong. We have the technology to generate and analyse data, to gain a proper understanding of what is going on.
What seperates Nathan from the rest is moments. Moses is as skillful and as good a defender with a better running game but he isn't clutch. He doesn't do it when it's most needed while Nathan seems to go up a gear.
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Nathan Cleary runs the ball 20+ times a game. Making more runs, and with the scores close, means he will have a much higher proportion of runs where he creates a try in a close game. Moses plays for a team that is always behind on the scoreboard, and he only runs the ball a dozen times at most.
Plenty of props can make 130mtrs a game. But 2 or 3 powerfull runs at the right time will.mean much more. Think To'o run before the Martin try where he ran for 20mtrs. That run set up two more good runs which allowed space for Martin's try.
As a stat it just goes down as 20mtrs gained.
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To'o made 213m, and contributed much more than Martin or Alamoti. But some merkins think Martin and Alamoti were Penrith's best in the grand final. It's obscene how little credit To'o (and Edwards and Turuva) get.
I can educate you in footy. You come across as a novice tbh
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Poupou Escobar said:
It's just because he's an edge player.

It just means he's in a strong defensive side. The same try assist when you're behind by 30 means nothing because the game is already away from you. When the game is close teams still break tackles and score tries. But it feels like it has more meaning because the score was close. But it's still attackers running the ball and defenders trying to stop them. It's just that humans are inclined to build a narrative around it, to help us draw lessons from it. But we are mostly wrong with these narratives, and in 2024 we don't need to be wrong. We have the technology to generate and analyse data, to gain a proper understanding of what is going on.


What seperates Nathan from the rest is moments. Moses is as skillful and as good a defender with a better running game but he isn't clutch. He doesn't do it when it's most needed while Nathan seems to go up a gear.
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Nathan Cleary runs the ball 20+ times a game. Making more runs, and with the scores close, means he will have a much higher proportion of runs where he creates a try in a close game. Moses plays for a team that is always behind on the scoreboard, and he only runs the ball a dozen times at most.

To'o made 213, and contributed much more than Martin or Alamoti. But some merkins think Martin and Alamoti were Penrith's best in the grand final. It's obscene how little credit To'o (and Edwards and Turuva) get.

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Wow
Lucky we have a long off season. I will start the education soon.
 
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hindy111 said:
So 90% lemon rate....BA was rubbish
Move on
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The bottom of every roster is full of lemons. The Roosters have ZDC on their books ffs. Clubs sign lemons because the salary cap gives them no choice. The quicker you get rid of lemons the sooner you have to bring more in. You laugh about Lumelume but he only played two games for us, and was never in the top 30. But Bellamy picked him six times, including in a finals match. Every club has to deal with lemons. Look at some of the garbage Cleary signed throughout his career.
 
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King-Gutho94 said:
Here is my assessment of all coaches i have seen coach Parramatta.

All different in there own way and have different reasons why we didnt win a comp.

Brian Smith - Great tactical mind, defense orientated, got more out of the side then most. Though never mastered the big games and had the team on edge with mind games texting players and so forth when the stakes were raised. Giving the team an uneasy nervous energy which contributed to some horrific losses come finals time.

Jason Taylor - Came in and did a good job as caretaker coach hard to assess but unleashed Jarryd Hayne from game 1 and took us from 14th to 8th in the space of 10 weeks. Who knows how things turn out if he got the job instead of Hagan.

Michael Hagan - Made a prelim final with a bunch of hard core senior players but 2008 was a downright debacle and waste of year. Should never been signed and has Andrew Johns to thank for being known as a premiership coach. His depressing press conferences actually make BA's not sound as bad.

Daniel Anderson - A rough start but took a smart coach to take a back seat and let his ego out of the way and let the team just go with the flow with momentum in 2009 and it almost won us a comp. His rope-a-dope against Wayne Bennett in 2009 is one of the best coaching performances i have seen from a Parramatta coach.

Brutally unlucky had his job undermined a year later & was a dead man walking for half the season if he got 11 years i imagine we would have won a comp. What Spags did to DA was downright disgraceful and set us down a path that set us back a decade.

Stephen Kearney - One of the worst appointments this club has ever made a downright and utter failure that led us to winning B2B wooden spoons and the worst period this club has had since the 1970s. Signing a retirement home in 2011 and thinking we could play like a robotic Melbourne Storm with a spine of Matt Keating, Robson/Mortimer, McGuire & Hayne was downright stupidity.

Ricky Stuart - Never was the right fit for this place and it was obvious very quickly. Cleaned up some of the mess so BA had a clean slate in 2014. But backdoored it after 12 months when it became too hard. Thanks for 12 glorious months & our 13th Wooden Spoon Ricky.

Brad Arthur - Was fortunate to come in at a time where that had been so much instability from coaching to administration in the joint that BA benefitted from the need for the club to just become stable as a club as unify behind one coach after churning through 6 in 7 years. Lucky to survive in 2018.

Got us to the finals numerous times but like Brian Smith fell short and 2022 was a carbon copy of 2001 GF day where the players weren't mentally ready to play in a GF.

Was here too long cord should have been cut a fair while back.

Trent Barrett - Bazball like game plan all out attack with no defence. Had a shitfight with availability at backend of the year but kept us competitive. Will never be a head coach again but Baz can hold his head up high for the role he played this year in avoiding the spoon and the cards he got dealt as a caretaker coach.
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I've got nothing to add but applaud this post...spot on
 
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hindy111 said:
Some of BAs signings

Beau Champion
B. Farimo
J.Falou
R.Robinson.
A.Watmough
Foran
C.Nelson
R.Obrien
Matagi
K.Evans
Vave
Aauvua
F.Pritchard
C.King
G.Jennings
Salmon
Lane
W.Blake
J.Field
Hipgrave
Davey
Grieg
Lussick x 2
Roache
Oldfield
Perham
Laizou
Rein
Ogden
Doorey
Moimesea
J.Hodgson
Murchie
Harper
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Let's not be too harsh. There are some pretty handy players in that list..
The one real problem is how many of these blokes were injury prone or already busted. In BA they met their Alan Bond...the oldies will get it
 
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King-Gutho94 said:
3 times in 4 years they were over the cap we played them in the finals

How unlucky can 1 team get.

I would also argue those 3 losses there was some dodgy 50/50 call that didn't go our way in those finals that were the difference in a tight game.
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It's more than just losing to them three times, they were our only losses in the finals in those years. Sure, one was first round but the other two were a GF qualifier and the GF itself.
 
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Poupou Escobar said:
The grand final wasn't won on big plays, it was won by 80 minutes of hard work in attack and defence. That means Penrith's wingers and fullback making 60+ carries with the ball, and all of Penrith's middle forwards toiling away without it. Martin and Alamoti were there to take advantage of a couple of rare defensive errors by the Storm. Errors caused by the hard work that came before it.
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Spot on... And best on field that night was Yeo like it is nearly everytime with Penrith. How Martin won the Clive Churchill over him is laughable
 
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Stormy36 said:
Spot on... And best on field that night was Yeo like it is nearly everytime with Penrith. How Martin won the Clive Churchill over him is laughable
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The people choosing that award only care about the highlight plays. Martin scored the try that got Penrith the lead, and was pivotal in the third try. I doubt we will ever seen anyone as ripped off as Michael Morgan was, basically carried the Cows over the line but Thurston kicks the field goal and that’s all it took despite being a passenger the rest of the game. Hell he even choked the winning conversion and just got lucky Hunt spilled his lollies.
 
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