Rumours and Stuff

[Eelogical]

The thing I remember all out him was the game against Brisbane. He played fullback and anytime he got the ball in the red zone the defense stood still. They didn't know what he was going to do. It reminded me of how sides defend Ponga. They stall for a second which creates space.
I recall that game thinking gee how good does our attack look with a fullback with some speed and footwork.

I think he will be a great player by 2027

Good luck to him if that happens. He didn't seem to be a fit at the Eels, imo.

 

[84 Baby]

Also anyone want to tell me why the club is now trying to get Moses to resign again already and remove his clauses???

I think likely firstly they’ve realised the undue mental drain they have put on club. Whilst in theory Pou is correct, it’s all been warped by rugba leeg, even if in practice behind closed doors club, agents and players also agree with Pou. Media/fans have self-fulfilled them as the avenue of the incompetent to allow players get out clauses.
I also suspect that the reason we have so many is that individually the immediate cost savings we get, for example saving $25k this year by giving Drown option for next year, isn’t worth it in isolation. You need multiples to give you a decent saving in cap space, so if we want to stop dealing with options it’s better to get rid of all of them.
Finally while Moses may have been willing to forgo some money start of contract in exchange for safety net of option control, in contrast we may be more willing to pay extra to buy back that control.
I think in hindsight, given our results overall while Moses becoming among elite players, will be shit because we ultimately squandered the years he was cheap.

 

[Pazza]

I had no idea MON was pedallng insurance.....

Surely HOF is a full time gig at Parramatta???

 

[Poupou Escobar]

How did that logic go for Baldy...

Yeah he should've started Hands at halfback against Manly in round three so Moses wouldn't get injured ffs. I take it back, you're a genius.

 

[Gronk]

And how come we haven't offered POs in our last few contracts????

These questions never get answered

If anyone offered Moimoisea an option, they should be scheduled for a lobotomy. Mitchell Moses, well that’s a different story.

I don’t agree with throwing them around like frisbees, with recipients like Lane, Matterson etc. however I don’t see it as an issue with Moses, Brown or even Blaize. If you get my drift, they need to be exceptional and well worth the risk. Facts are that when you don’t have TPAs like some clubs, you need to take risks to secure or keep the top players.

That’s probably why the Tits did it with Tino.

 

[JokerEel]

I think likely firstly they’ve realised the undue mental drain they have put on club. Whilst in theory Pou is correct, it’s all been warped by rugba leeg, even if in practice behind closed doors club, agents and players also agree with Pou. Media/fans have self-fulfilled them as the avenue of the incompetent to allow players get out clauses.
I also suspect that the reason we have so many is that individually the immediate cost savings we get, for example saving $25k this year by giving Drown option for next year, isn’t worth it in isolation. You need multiples to give you a decent saving in cap space, so if we want to stop dealing with options it’s better to get rid of all of them.
Finally while Moses may have been willing to forgo some money start of contract in exchange for safety net of option control, in contrast we may be more willing to pay extra to buy back that control.
I think in hindsight, given our results overall while Moses becoming among elite players, will be shit because we ultimately squandered the years he was cheap.

Are we saving money on giving players a PO?

I don't see why a player like Moses or Brown would take less to get a ridiculous player option.

These player options look like we are throwing alot at these players and then giving them the option to piss off of another club comes in and wants to give them even more.

 

[Pazza]

I also suspect that the reason we have so many is that individually the immediate cost savings we get, for example saving $25k this year by giving Drown option for next year, isn’t worth it in isolation. You need multiples to give you a decent saving in cap space, so if we want to stop dealing with options it’s better to get rid of all of them.

Then how come we are the only team in the nrl that does it??

And why have we stopped doing it?

 

[JokerEel]

Yeah he should've started Hands at halfback against Manly in round three so Moses wouldn't get injured ffs. I take it back, you're a genius.

Thanks I see I have really gotten under your skin Jon

 

[Eelogical]

Brown while a great player, he's not a franchise one

A franchise player to me means he's a gun for hire. The way his manager is selling him is like a Lloyds auction for the Batmobile.

 

[Pazza]

If anyone offered Moimoisea an option, they should be scheduled for a lobotomy. Mitchell Moses, well that’s a different story.

I don’t agree with throwing them around like frisbees, with recipients like Lane, Matterson etc. however I don’t see it as an issue with Moses, Brown or even Blaize. If you get my drift, they need to be exceptional and well worth the risk. Facts are that when you don’t have TPAs like some clubs, you need to take risks to secure or keep the top players.

That’s probably why the Tits did it with Tino.

The big issue is how.many the club has handed out at one time. If we had say Ryan matterson only with a PO this offseason, this issue would be a non starter.

 

[King-Gutho94]

The big issue is how.many the club has handed out at one time. If we had say Ryan matterson only with a PO this offseason, this issue would be a non starter.

Matto funnily enough was pretty quick to activate his PO.

I wonder why was there no one interested

 

[84 Baby]

Are we saving money on giving players a PO?

I don't see why a player like Moses or Brown would take less to get a ridiculous player option.

These player options look like we are throwing alot at these players and then giving them the option to piss off of another club comes in and wants to give them even more.

I think either we are saving money, but as I said per player, not a heap. If you give out 4-5 options perhaps that saves you enough space for an extra $100k to someone else. Or we’re saving mental anguish now by delaying it 2-3 years, but ultimately realising it probably doubles down when that option comes due.

 

[Eelogical]

Matto funnily enough was pretty quick to activate his PO.

I wonder why was there no one interested

We have become an enigma wrapped in a riddle.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If options really did reduce the asking price of players, wouldnt a club like the panthers use them? They lose quality players year after year yet they never offer an option.

I'm baffled

The options add risk. Risk increases randomness, which benefits the underdog in a contest (including the player market). Therefore the top clubs will be more likely to avoid risk, because they have more to lose and less to gain from it.

The Panthers lose players every year but still have four merkins who played Origin in 2024 plus Cleary. They are doing just fine with player retention.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Panthers board ratified that player or mutual options will not be given.

Club options are fine as the club holds the cards.

But yeah Pou knows better than the 4 time winning club

Yeah every club should just copy the Panthers. Then we'll all win four straight premierships ffs

 

[JokerEel]

Matto funnily enough was pretty quick to activate his PO.

I wonder why was there no one interested

I think the club said Matto let's get this sorted before the season..

Probably why Dyls manager is sending the emails now as well.

 

[JokerEel]

Yeah every club should just copy the Panthers. Then we'll all win four straight premierships ffs

Why not then there wouldn't be stupid Player options.

Glad we agree

 

[JokerEel]

I think either we are saving money, but as I said per player, not a heap. If you give out 4-5 options perhaps that saves you enough space for an extra $100k to someone else. Or we’re saving mental anguish now by delaying it 2-3 years, but ultimately realising it probably doubles down when that option comes due.

I don't think we are saving a cent to be honest.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Hey Blaize.
Dylan's contract is up and he doesn't want an extension. We want you to be our 5/8 and we will include a PO so if this changes you have a get out clause.


Penaut

Why would Drown tell us he didn't want an extension with two years to run on his contract? He had a good relationship with the coach and probably the captain as well. He probably did intend to stay.

 

[Soren Lorenson]

Yeah every club should just copy the Panthers. Then we'll all win four straight premierships ffs

As long as it’s our turn soon