Rumours and Stuff

[Timana]

Maybe look at the people who signed them, not sure that the R&R team aware blameless. Too many missies and questionable extensions, options etc .It’s a tough area but not good enough in reality.

I see that there is alot of ppl to blame.

What was the strategy back then when BA was around. BA probably knew he had a small window to win the GF and to save his career and he went for older experienced guys. Maybe he only wanted the 2 years to achieve this and didnt care about the following years. Therefore, the PO didnt matter to him. It was just get them signed so they can win the comp in the 2-3 year window.

If the strategy was we need Guth, Reg, Dyl, Moses in 2023, 24, 25 then just get it done. even if they want POs We'll win the comp and then no one will care. Since it didn't pan out that way, it looks like it went to crap. If we had won the comp, no one would be so fussed about the POs and that we signed old fellas.

Since JR has come, the strategy appears to have changed. Hire younger blokes with potential. No POs. Very different to St George who went after older players with experience

So whoever decides or agreed to the strategy back when or now is to blame.

 

[84 Baby]

Mine was a total pisstake gents.

Sure sure subconscious thoughts

 

[RustedonEel]

Very different to St George who went after older players with experience

As an aside, that's part of Flanagan's formula for success.

 

[emjaycee]

Sure sure subconscious thoughts

Actually, a lot of thought went into each answer and how it might ryle (sp) up the masses.

 

[King-Gutho94]

I see that there is alot of ppl to blame.

What was the strategy back then when BA was around. BA probably knew he had a small window to win the GF and to save his career and he went for older experienced guys. Maybe he only wanted the 2 years to achieve this and didnt care about the following years. Therefore, the PO didnt matter to him. It was just get them signed so they can win the comp in the 2-3 year window.

If the strategy was we need Guth, Reg, Dyl, Moses in 2023, 24, 25 then just get it done. even if they want POs We'll win the comp and then no one will care. Since it didn't pan out that way, it looks like it went to crap. If we had won the comp, no one would be so fussed about the POs and that we signed old fellas.

Since JR has come, the strategy appears to have changed. Hire younger blokes with potential. No POs. Very different to St George who went after older players with experience

So whoever decides or agreed to the strategy back when or now is to blame.

Most fans could see the premiership window was going to close after that GF loss 2022.

We dug ourselves a hole by not sacking BA after 2023 and should have just made the ruthless call there and then.

Like Brisbane did with Walters last year.

Making a GF a year earlier was irrelevant really and instead we pissed and threw away a whole season in 2024.

If your sacking a coach in Round 10 you have admitted you have wasted a whole off-season & year basically.

I think a few on here pointed out after that last round Penrith win that season it could have been the worse thing to happen.

Because it left the club in a mindset they were unlucky to miss the finals by 1 win and BA said post match that night it was simply down to 24 weeks of suspensions that year through ill-discipline that let the team down.

It has probably set this whole rebuild back 2 years because we weren't fast enough to action it earlier that would have enabled a quicker reset/rebuild instead its meant the hole has got deeper and the mess will be harder now to get out of instead of 18 months earlier.

 

[Delboy]

The clubs that make big decisions have alpha male types in position , such as Gould and Richardson, even Bennett at a stretch. To describe anyone in our R&R bevy of geniuses as an Alpha is seriously a pisstake .

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I see that there is alot of ppl to blame.

What was the strategy back then when BA was around. BA probably knew he had a small window to win the GF and to save his career and he went for older experienced guys. Maybe he only wanted the 2 years to achieve this and didnt care about the following years. Therefore, the PO didnt matter to him. It was just get them signed so they can win the comp in the 2-3 year window.

If the strategy was we need Guth, Reg, Dyl, Moses in 2023, 24, 25 then just get it done. even if they want POs We'll win the comp and then no one will care. Since it didn't pan out that way, it looks like it went to crap. If we had won the comp, no one would be so fussed about the POs and that we signed old fellas.

Since JR has come, the strategy appears to have changed. Hire younger blokes with potential. No POs. Very different to St George who went after older players with experience

So whoever decides or agreed to the strategy back when or now is to blame.

The strategy back then was to create a premiership window and keep it open as long as possible. Do they now deserve blame because our dice roll was bad?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Most fans could see the premiership window was going to close after that GF loss 2022.

Is that why they all pissed their knickers when we missed the finals by a single win in 2023, despite all the injuries and suspensions?

 

[hindy111]

I agree it is a risk but right now Brown isn’t stopping us having 40 put on us, given his situation he is far less likely to care if we lose every game by 40 and even if he does then you run the risk that by him helping us not get slaughtered every week, that he actually becomes worth what he’s being paid, only for him to take that to Newcastle.

Conceding 40 this week is a distinct possibility. How will you feel about Brown then?

I think we beat the Dogs this weekend.

 

[Timana]

Most fans could see the premiership window was going to close after that GF loss 2022.

But BA wouldn't and hence went hard for the window

 

[84 Baby]

I think we beat the Dogs this weekend.

I hope so and think we can. I don’t prescribe to the theory our players aren’t as good as we think but with current form/attitude, the “soft underbelly” means we’re basically relying on Dogs “not turning up”

 

[Timana]

The strategy back then was to create a premiership window and keep it open as long as possible. Do they now deserve blame because our dice roll was bad?

well, yeah, wrong strategy.

If you were leading a corporate company and did that then you deserve to be sacked.

 

[Timana]

I think we beat the Dogs this weekend.

I really hope JP is not captain. Really, give it to Jack or Hoppa.

But I would give it to Lomax. Our best player on the field and the one who wants to win and tries

 

[Poupou Escobar]

well, yeah, wrong strategy.

It is the only viable strategy for football staff whose budgets (e.g. salaries subject to a hard cap) are imposed on them.

If you were leading a corporate company and did that then you deserve to be sacked.

Corporate companies don’t have any equivalent to premierships. Their goals are all financial, and the value of winning premierships would be measured against the cost of the investment.

 

[Chipmunk]

My theory is that most of our top 17 players actually aren't as good as we would like them to be and this has been the case for a few years.

BA managed to get them to over perform in getting to consistent finals appearances from 2019-2022.

What we are seeing now is just how they are.

Apart from Moses (and now Lomax and possibly JAC), who else in our 1-17 walks into the three-time wooden spooners Tigers side tomorrow and improves them?

85% of NRL players are good players in great teams and average players in shit teams.

The other 15% are the result influencers and determine whether the 85% are good or average.

In 2024 we had 3 result influencers in the entire squad. Two were shown the door and not replaced with another result influencer, and one is out injured for at least a third of the season.

You won't play Finals football with only one result influencer in your squad.