Rumours and Stuff

[emjaycee]

1. Roosters
2. Bulldogs
3. Eels

Insert Panthers somewhere. Bigger Juniors area, larger Leagues Club backing, high-profile media personality, etc.

 

[hineyrulz]

1. Roosters
2. Bulldogs
3. Eels

Roosters a big club??
Take out their billionaire owner how big are they really?? No juniors, no fans they bring SFA to RL. And the dogs?? Their fair weather fans have only come out of their hovels the last 12 months.


I’d argue we are number 1, considering lack of success the last 40 years it wouldn’t even be close if we weren’t such a clusterf**k.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

@emjaycee you obviously have more knowledge than most of us of the inner workings of the club.

Do you know, Who makes the decisions to increase spending on pathway players? Increase the pathway resources? Where does the funding come from?

 

[King-Gutho94]

So Ricky / Canberra are allowed a poor year (2014 as per your opinion), when changing approaches but Parramatta/Ryles isn't allowed a poor year after change approaches......

As you said 2023 should be our "poor year", fair enough, 2024 was tracking poor, we sacked the coach and moved on...

So the club is doing exactly as you want, but you aren't willing you give Ryles/Eels the same considerations as you give Ricky!

BTW our mob, have only been in place since 2019.....Ricky went 15th, 10th, 2nd, 10th, 10th, then GF. 5 years to get to the GF, our mob went 5th, 4th, 5th, GF, 4 years to get to GF.....

Also all clubs have poor years except Storm.

I am giving Ryles a free pass this year and actually backing him to see out his contract and lead us somewhere in a positive direction.

My main concern is the key pillars we have around him that will prevent this.

In terms of poor years Raiders have won at least 10 games in every season for a decade.

Winning 10 games in a season surely that should be the bare minimum you can expect in a 24 game season from your side finals or not.

Piss poor planning has led us to a cliff we all saw coming yet outside of the coach nothing else has changed around that. With the new coach coming in and basically dismantling everything that the CEO & R&R thought was a premiership winning roster.

MON has been here 7 years its time for a fresh outlook on things. His pass mark for the first 4 years has been turned into a D for diabolical for the past 3 years. Like we dont need to get started on the PO situation again but that all leads back on MON.

Ill go back to when the Titans came into the comp as a fair analysis and sample size & wont include the Dolphins in this how many teams have had bottom 4 finishes since 2007.

I didnt include Storm or Parramatta when salary cap stripped them of the points and pushed the 5th worst place into the bottom 4 instead.

10 x Titans
8 x Tigers
7 x Warriors
6 x Eels, Cowboys
5 x Raiders, Bulldogs, Knights
4 x Sharks, Dragons
3 x Sea Eagles, Roosters, Rabbits
2 x Panthers, Broncos

Now unless a miracle happens we are adding another bottom 4 finish to the list this year.

How is that 7 bottom four finishes in 19 years acceptable.

Poor years shouldn't lead to bottom four with regularity.

 

[JokerEel]

I think a lot of a club's culture is driven from the head coach and how they want things done.

That’s true to an extent, but I’d say the head of football plays an even bigger role in setting the long-term culture. Coaches come and go, but it's the head of football who oversees the bigger picture, recruitment strategy, development pathways, and the type of people brought into the club.

They set the framework that a coach operates within. A strong football department ensures cultural consistency regardless of who’s coaching.

 

[Avenger]

2019 - 5th
2020 - 4th
2021 - 5th
2022 - 4th and GF
2023 - not great but won 50% of games
2024 - shit

recruitment has not been poor for 5 years....we have only had one shit season since 2019 where we lost more then we won.

Could we do things better, absolutely !! 110%!! But its not a shit show!

2023 - shit
2024 - shitter
2025 - shittest

 

[King-Gutho94]

How did the club get it so right?

Since the 20th June, 2023 so 2 x years ago today.

We have won 15 games from 46 played.

We havent missed a beat in the last 24 months.

 

[hineyrulz]

I get where you're coming from, but that's a defeatist attitude. Just because the Roosters, Storm, and Panthers have set the bar high doesn’t mean we shouldn’t expect better from our own club. Settling for “we can’t do better” is exactly why we’re stuck in mediocrity.

Come on mate mediocrity is where it’s at, we know it’s what gets him off.

And let’s face it we are a small tin pot club with no money and no resources.

 

[Legal Eel]

I think a lot of a club's culture is driven from the head coach and how they want things done.

But how do you explain the fact that for years people claimed that there was no one better than BA …and when anyone took them to task on this absurdity, the Pouciples rode to the rescue! But I guess that just suited the agenda at the time, but now it’s okay to admit that BA was not setting the club up for success.

 

[JokerEel]

But in reality it's only been one poor year 2024. And look at the squad turn over between 2024 to 25....

I agree pathways was poor and a big factor in us not being able to replace players we lost in 2022. But is that MON and Co's fault?

It all costs money, and it looks like the club has decided to spend up big in that area now (that's not MON area).

Fair enough.. but if we’re being honest, the lack of pathways and succession planning is on the head of football. That’s their job, to make sure the club isn’t just focused on the now, but has a clear strategy for sustained success. Losing key players after 2022 without having ready made replacements isn’t just bad luck it’s poor planning.

Yeah, spending has ramped up now, but that’s reactive. The head of football should’ve had that vision years earlier. A big part of their role is ensuring the club’s football department is future-proofed not scrambling after the fact.

 

[Grigor]

Apparently talyn de Silva available b4 June 30 , watch us stuff this one up and the apologists find a reason why we couldn't sign him

 

[hineyrulz]

Since the 20th June, 2023 so 2 x years ago today.

We have won 15 games from 46 played.

We havent missed a beat in the last 24 months.

That’s how you get it so right……..

 

[Avenger]

And we have long accepted that our pathways and club culture were ignored until the pathways review and changes were made and the new coach came in about 10 months ago to start rebuilding the club culture from the ground up.

How's our pathways going these days?

Depends how you measure it. We only had one of them selected in the rep sides this week.

I’d say they are overrated and have been ever since Fitzy opted to go with Brian Jackson and not sign Gene Miles.

 

[lucablight]

I answered yours. The answer is that it all depends on information we (you, me and the rest of these slobs) don’t have.

Well make up your mind. First you tried to justify the hypothetical signing and now you’re refusing to commit because we don’t all the information. Which is it?

 

[emjaycee]

@emjaycee you obviously have more knowledge than most of us of the inner workings of the club.

Do you know, Who makes the decisions to increase spending on pathway players? Increase the pathway resources? Where does the funding come from?

Decision is made by the Board on where to allocate funds based on recommendations from various department heads and the lawn-mowing guy.

As Pathways form part of the Football side of the business, I would imagine the West Tigers Lifemember and chief trolley pusher has used his MBA gained skills to propose a structure and budget for increasing the quality and output of our Pathways programs, based on the review that was done in 2021/22.

But maybe it was just when Ryles came in.

 

[JokerEel]

Come on mate mediocrity is where it’s at, we know it’s what gets him off.

And let’s face it we are a small tin pot club with no money and no resources.

The CEO and the club are showing off their bright and new COE.

Let's hope they haven't stopped working and just pulled up a comfy chair and watched their work go to waste...

 

[JokerEel]

Decision is made by the Board on where to allocate funds based on recommendations from various department heads and the lawn-mowing guy.

As Pathways form part of the Football side of the business, I would imagine the West Tigers Lifemember and chief trolley pusher has used his MBA gained skills to propose a structure and budget for increasing the quality and output of our Pathways programs, based on the review that was done in 2021/22.

But maybe it was just when Ryles came in.

Fair question should or is this be available to members?

 

[emjaycee]

But how do you explain the fact that for years people claimed that there was no one better than BA …and when anyone took them to task on this absurdity, the Pouciples rode to the rescue! But I guess that just suited the agenda at the time, but now it’s okay to admit that BA was not setting the club up for success.

Club culture isn't only First Grade team performance.

 

[JokerEel]

Roosters a big club??
Take out their billionaire owner how big are they really?? No juniors, no fans they bring SFA to RL. And the dogs?? Their fair weather fans have only come out of their hovels the last 12 months.


I’d argue we are number 1, considering lack of success the last 40 years it wouldn’t even be close if we weren’t such a clusterf**k.

To be honest the Roosters have set up shop on the central coast and apparently in NZ for their pathways.
I doubt their head of football is running this program but I can assume they would be overseeing it.

 

[emjaycee]

Fair question should or is this be available to members?

It's most likely an internal working document that most organisations wouldn't share outside of their business I imagine.