Rumours and Stuff

[DaveMc]

However he has been instrumental in assembling this squad....
Ciraldo is not necessarily a good coach. He has a good squad. Acid test comes in the next 9 or so weeks..
warriors home, roosters away, storm away, riff and sharks home...
A real test.
Also I have a theory why they are shit in the wet.
Their line speed isn't as prevalent and their lighter pack struggle moreso in the heavier conditions

Yeah, fair point.

I honestly don’t know who is and isn’t a good coach these days. It sounds dumb, but I really don’t.

Ivan has just won four premierships on the trot. Is he a great coach? I think he’s coached very well to the rules, but he’s doing it with a squad that is perfect for that gameplan. It’s also a pretty simple gameplan. Will be be remembered as an all-time great coach? If it’s only about results, he should be. But, fairly or unfairly, he Probably won’t - if for no other reason that he’ll ironically probably be overshadowed by his son’s role in his success.

Is Bellamy a great coach? He’s coached the most consistently successful team of the NRL era, and probably ever. He also did it with an unlawfully built squad, and never really reckoned with the consequences of that because he retained the best hooker (possibly best player) of all time, and guys on the shortlist of best fullback and halfback of all time, well after their cheating came to light. There was a very harsh short-term pain in 2010 for that, but his squad remained built around them ever since, and he’s been able to plug in other exceptional blokes in their positions as they individually faded away. How would he have gone with an ordinary squad? We’ll never know.

How about Bennett? Success at multiple clubs - but his original time at Brisbane involved what was an almost incomprehensibly stacked team, and there’s a genuine argument that them not winning every year from their inception until the settling of the salary cap era after the Super League was was a massive underachievement. He’s also not won a title in 15 years, and looks to be on the precipice of a wooden spoon.

I honestly don’t know if Ciraldo is a good coach. I think he probably is - but it remains to be seen.

 

[Parrapat]

Yeah, fair point.

I honestly don’t know who is and isn’t a good coach these days. It sounds dumb, but I really don’t.

Ivan has just won four premierships on the trot. Is he a great coach? I think he’s coached very well to the rules, but he’s doing it with a squad that is perfect for that gameplan. It’s also a pretty simple gameplan. Will be be remembered as an all-time great coach? If it’s only about results, he should be. Probably not - if for no other reason that he’ll ironically probably be overshadowed by his son’s role in his success.

Is Bellamy a great coach? He’s coached the most consistently successful team of the NRL era, and probably ever. He also did it with an unlawfully built squad, and never really reckoned with the consequences of that because he retained the best hooker (possibly best player) of all time, and guys on the shortlist of best fullback and halfback of all time, well after their cheating came to light. There was a very harsh short-term pain in 2010 for that, but his squad remained built around them ever since, and he’s been able to plug in other exceptional blokes in their positions as they individually faded away. How would he have gone with an ordinary squad? We’ll never know.

How about Bennett? Success at multiple clubs - but his original time at Brisbane involved what was an almost incomprehensibly stacked team, and there’s a genuine argument that them not winning every year from their inception until the settling of the salary cap era after the Super League was was a massive underachievement. He’s also not won a title in 15 years, and looks to be on the precipice of a wooden spoon.

I honestly don’t know if Ciraldo is a good coach. I think he probably is - but it remains to be seen.

Ivan is the greatest coach of all time.

His record speaks for itself.

5 straight GFs, 4 wins a in a row, each year stripped of top tier talent, this after taking the most under performing hopeless club of all time to a GF in the Warriors to only lose by a whisker and then get on the Tigers bus to give them signs of life but realising they wouldn't appreciate him, they're in an amalgamated club death spiral, so he left for his son and that former club this week about to knight Sir Benji for Life for winning a game, in the mud, against a former Cleary junior coach.

Cleary is easily the greatest coach of our era.

 

[Soto]

Yeah, fair point.

I honestly don’t know who is and isn’t a good coach these days. It sounds dumb, but I really don’t.

Ivan has just won four premierships on the trot. Is he a great coach? I think he’s coached very well to the rules, but he’s doing it with a squad that is perfect for that gameplan. It’s also a pretty simple gameplan. Will be be remembered as an all-time great coach? If it’s only about results, he should be. But, fairly or unfairly, he Probably won’t - if for no other reason that he’ll ironically probably be overshadowed by his son’s role in his success.

Is Bellamy a great coach? He’s coached the most consistently successful team of the NRL era, and probably ever. He also did it with an unlawfully built squad, and never really reckoned with the consequences of that because he retained the best hooker (possibly best player) of all time, and guys on the shortlist of best fullback and halfback of all time, well after their cheating came to light. There was a very harsh short-term pain in 2010 for that, but his squad remained built around them ever since, and he’s been able to plug in other exceptional blokes in their positions as they individually faded away. How would he have gone with an ordinary squad? We’ll never know.

How about Bennett? Success at multiple clubs - but his original time at Brisbane involved what was an almost incomprehensibly stacked team, and there’s a genuine argument that them not winning every year from their inception until the settling of the salary cap era after the Super League was was a massive underachievement. He’s also not won a title in 15 years, and looks to be on the precipice of a wooden spoon.

I honestly don’t know if Ciraldo is a good coach. I think he probably is - but it remains to be seen.

I reckon i could win 7 premierships if i had near state of origin/international team week in week out for the season...
I don't rate Bennett at all and been the fortunate beneficiary of having the best teams.
When he's had mediocre teams or knew he isn't going to achieve anything he's off quicker than a bride's nightie

 

[Soto]

Ivan is the greatest coach of all time.

His record speaks for itself.

5 straight GFs, 4 wins a in a row, each year stripped of top tier talent, this after taking the most under performing hopeless club of all time to a GF in the Warriors to only lose by a whisker and then get on the Tigers bus to give them signs of life but realising they wouldn't appreciate him, they're in an amalgamated club death spiral, so he left for his son and that former club this week about to knight Sir Benji for Life for winning a game, in the mud, against a former Cleary junior coach.

Cleary is easily the greatest coach of our era.

Can't disagree with anything here at all

 

[Eelementary]

Wouldn’t we put Tino at 13 and JDB at prop?

Yeah, probably.

Not a bad pack, I have to say.

 

[ColdWetPanther]

I'd guess something like:

8. Tino
9. Smith
10. Paulo
11. Williams
12. Kautoga
13. JDB

If you had that pack all you need is a conditioning coach who can stop Moses getting soft tissue issues and allow him to stay on the field.

 

[DaveMc]

I reckon i could win 7 premierships if i had near state of origin/international team week in week out for the season...
I don't rate Bennett at all and been the fortunate beneficiary of having the best teams.
When he's had mediocre teams or knew he isn't going to achieve anything he's off quicker than a bride's nightie

The biggest knock on Bennett is that he’s always left teams in a much worse position when he’s gone, too. Though the Dolphins may be the exception to that for the first time since arguably the Raiders (when he was co-coach rather than the sole head honcho).

 

[Parrapat]

Dogs are going out backwards and none of the early season media sycophants who poured nothing but scorn on us while they ladled spoonfuls of adulation on Dogs will ever admit they were hopelessly, completely and utterly probably paid for, wrong.

You never get brought to court on past comments and assessment in NRL.

At the start of the year every media hack and their Sky News running dog was hailing Bulldogs as the next coming the early 90s Raiders.

At the same time they piled on Ryles and Eels declaring us a car wreck who let heroes go for gash.

Now we're supposed to care for two secondary teams playing in a local derby at our home stadium in front of their third rate fans.

Only an Eels premiership will wipe away this blight on our rightful heritage.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Ivan is the greatest coach of all time.

His record speaks for itself.

5 straight GFs, 4 wins a in a row, each year stripped of top tier talent,

They just replace it with more top tier talent because they are so good at poaching juniors.

this after taking the most under performing hopeless club of all time to a GF in the Warriors

They were in the grand final a couple of years before he got there ffs. Yes they were underperformers and the reason we think so is because they had great squads.

to only lose by a whisker and then get on the Tigers bus to give them signs of life but realising they wouldn't appreciate him, they're in an amalgamated club death spiral, so he left for his son and that former club this week about to knight Sir Benji for Life for winning a game, in the mud, against a former Cleary junior coach.

Cleary is easily the greatest coach of our era.

Before he arrived back at Penrith (to help them re-sign his son without overpaying him) he had a very ordinary record. 12 seasons, no premierships, and won fewer than half his games. The improvement in his coaching since taking over the roster Gould built is remarkable.