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DaveMc

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However he has been instrumental in assembling this squad....
Ciraldo is not necessarily a good coach. He has a good squad. Acid test comes in the next 9 or so weeks..
warriors home, roosters away, storm away, riff and sharks home...
A real test.
Also I have a theory why they are shit in the wet.
Their line speed isn't as prevalent and their lighter pack struggle moreso in the heavier conditions
Yeah, fair point.

I honestly don’t know who is and isn’t a good coach these days. It sounds dumb, but I really don’t.

Ivan has just won four premierships on the trot. Is he a great coach? I think he’s coached very well to the rules, but he’s doing it with a squad that is perfect for that gameplan. It’s also a pretty simple gameplan. Will be be remembered as an all-time great coach? If it’s only about results, he should be. But, fairly or unfairly, he Probably won’t - if for no other reason that he’ll ironically probably be overshadowed by his son’s role in his success.

Is Bellamy a great coach? He’s coached the most consistently successful team of the NRL era, and probably ever. He also did it with an unlawfully built squad, and never really reckoned with the consequences of that because he retained the best hooker (possibly best player) of all time, and guys on the shortlist of best fullback and halfback of all time, well after their cheating came to light. There was a very harsh short-term pain in 2010 for that, but his squad remained built around them ever since, and he’s been able to plug in other exceptional blokes in their positions as they individually faded away. How would he have gone with an ordinary squad? We’ll never know.

How about Bennett? Success at multiple clubs - but his original time at Brisbane involved what was an almost incomprehensibly stacked team, and there’s a genuine argument that them not winning every year from their inception until the settling of the salary cap era after the Super League was was a massive underachievement. He’s also not won a title in 15 years, and looks to be on the precipice of a wooden spoon.

I honestly don’t know if Ciraldo is a good coach. I think he probably is - but it remains to be seen.
 

Parrapat

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Yeah, fair point.

I honestly don’t know who is and isn’t a good coach these days. It sounds dumb, but I really don’t.

Ivan has just won four premierships on the trot. Is he a great coach? I think he’s coached very well to the rules, but he’s doing it with a squad that is perfect for that gameplan. It’s also a pretty simple gameplan. Will be be remembered as an all-time great coach? If it’s only about results, he should be. Probably not - if for no other reason that he’ll ironically probably be overshadowed by his son’s role in his success.

Is Bellamy a great coach? He’s coached the most consistently successful team of the NRL era, and probably ever. He also did it with an unlawfully built squad, and never really reckoned with the consequences of that because he retained the best hooker (possibly best player) of all time, and guys on the shortlist of best fullback and halfback of all time, well after their cheating came to light. There was a very harsh short-term pain in 2010 for that, but his squad remained built around them ever since, and he’s been able to plug in other exceptional blokes in their positions as they individually faded away. How would he have gone with an ordinary squad? We’ll never know.

How about Bennett? Success at multiple clubs - but his original time at Brisbane involved what was an almost incomprehensibly stacked team, and there’s a genuine argument that them not winning every year from their inception until the settling of the salary cap era after the Super League was was a massive underachievement. He’s also not won a title in 15 years, and looks to be on the precipice of a wooden spoon.

I honestly don’t know if Ciraldo is a good coach. I think he probably is - but it remains to be seen.
Ivan is the greatest coach of all time.

His record speaks for itself.

5 straight GFs, 4 wins a in a row, each year stripped of top tier talent, this after taking the most under performing hopeless club of all time to a GF in the Warriors to only lose by a whisker and then get on the Tigers bus to give them signs of life but realising they wouldn't appreciate him, they're in an amalgamated club death spiral, so he left for his son and that former club this week about to knight Sir Benji for Life for winning a game, in the mud, against a former Cleary junior coach.

Cleary is easily the greatest coach of our era.
 

Soto

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Yeah, fair point.

I honestly don’t know who is and isn’t a good coach these days. It sounds dumb, but I really don’t.

Ivan has just won four premierships on the trot. Is he a great coach? I think he’s coached very well to the rules, but he’s doing it with a squad that is perfect for that gameplan. It’s also a pretty simple gameplan. Will be be remembered as an all-time great coach? If it’s only about results, he should be. But, fairly or unfairly, he Probably won’t - if for no other reason that he’ll ironically probably be overshadowed by his son’s role in his success.

Is Bellamy a great coach? He’s coached the most consistently successful team of the NRL era, and probably ever. He also did it with an unlawfully built squad, and never really reckoned with the consequences of that because he retained the best hooker (possibly best player) of all time, and guys on the shortlist of best fullback and halfback of all time, well after their cheating came to light. There was a very harsh short-term pain in 2010 for that, but his squad remained built around them ever since, and he’s been able to plug in other exceptional blokes in their positions as they individually faded away. How would he have gone with an ordinary squad? We’ll never know.

How about Bennett? Success at multiple clubs - but his original time at Brisbane involved what was an almost incomprehensibly stacked team, and there’s a genuine argument that them not winning every year from their inception until the settling of the salary cap era after the Super League was was a massive underachievement. He’s also not won a title in 15 years, and looks to be on the precipice of a wooden spoon.

I honestly don’t know if Ciraldo is a good coach. I think he probably is - but it remains to be seen.
I reckon i could win 7 premierships if i had near state of origin/international team week in week out for the season...
I don't rate Bennett at all and been the fortunate beneficiary of having the best teams.
When he's had mediocre teams or knew he isn't going to achieve anything he's off quicker than a bride's nightie
 

Soto

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Ivan is the greatest coach of all time.

His record speaks for itself.

5 straight GFs, 4 wins a in a row, each year stripped of top tier talent, this after taking the most under performing hopeless club of all time to a GF in the Warriors to only lose by a whisker and then get on the Tigers bus to give them signs of life but realising they wouldn't appreciate him, they're in an amalgamated club death spiral, so he left for his son and that former club this week about to knight Sir Benji for Life for winning a game, in the mud, against a former Cleary junior coach.

Cleary is easily the greatest coach of our era.
Can't disagree with anything here at all
 

DaveMc

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I reckon i could win 7 premierships if i had near state of origin/international team week in week out for the season...
I don't rate Bennett at all and been the fortunate beneficiary of having the best teams.
When he's had mediocre teams or knew he isn't going to achieve anything he's off quicker than a bride's nightie
The biggest knock on Bennett is that he’s always left teams in a much worse position when he’s gone, too. Though the Dolphins may be the exception to that for the first time since arguably the Raiders (when he was co-coach rather than the sole head honcho).
 

Parrapat

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Dogs are going out backwards and none of the early season media sycophants who poured nothing but scorn on us while they ladled spoonfuls of adulation on Dogs will ever admit they were hopelessly, completely and utterly probably paid for, wrong.
You never get brought to court on past comments and assessment in NRL.

At the start of the year every media hack and their Sky News running dog was hailing Bulldogs as the next coming the early 90s Raiders.

At the same time they piled on Ryles and Eels declaring us a car wreck who let heroes go for gash.

Now we're supposed to care for two secondary teams playing in a local derby at our home stadium in front of their third rate fans.

Only an Eels premiership will wipe away this blight on our rightful heritage.
 
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Poupou Escobar

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Ivan is the greatest coach of all time.

His record speaks for itself.

5 straight GFs, 4 wins a in a row, each year stripped of top tier talent,
They just replace it with more top tier talent because they are so good at poaching juniors.
this after taking the most under performing hopeless club of all time to a GF in the Warriors
They were in the grand final a couple of years before he got there ffs. Yes they were underperformers and the reason we think so is because they had great squads.
to only lose by a whisker and then get on the Tigers bus to give them signs of life but realising they wouldn't appreciate him, they're in an amalgamated club death spiral, so he left for his son and that former club this week about to knight Sir Benji for Life for winning a game, in the mud, against a former Cleary junior coach.

Cleary is easily the greatest coach of our era.
Before he arrived back at Penrith (to help them re-sign his son without overpaying him) he had a very ordinary record. 12 seasons, no premierships, and won fewer than half his games. The improvement in his coaching since taking over the roster Gould built is remarkable.
 

hindy111

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There are a stack of green shoots at the Tigers. Things are going in the right direction. Benji spent the whole preseason building attacking systems around a spine of Bula, Galvin, Luai, Api. That spine won 5 of 9 games. Galvin dogged us and we have never recovered and Benji has had to chop and change ever since and cant get in a groove.

Benji has said repeatedly that his preferred spine now is Bula, Luai, Latu & Api. He said this again in todays presser. That spine has played exactly zero games together ever.

We have some kids coming through that are going to make a big difference. Makasini is going to be a big thing next year.

Is that the kid who has been hyped as thr next Suaalii’? I've heard there is a special player coming through
 

hindy111

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They just replace it with more top tier talent because they are so good at poaching juniors.

They were in the grand final a couple of years before he got there ffs. Yes they were underperformers and the reason we think so is because they had great squads.

Before he arrived back at Penrith (to help them re-sign his son without overpaying him) he had a very ordinary record. 12 seasons, no premierships, and won fewer than half his games. The improvement in his coaching since taking over the roster Gould built is remarkable.

You left put the part where he won 4 grand finals and has made 6. That's pretty good.
Coaching is identifying the best talents and fizing their weaknesses. Isaiah Papali'i is now a defensive powerhouse. Prior was a poor defender.
C.Mclean and Blaize where clueless earlier in season in defense and dropped. Problems seem to be fixed now.

Ivan is probably one of the greatest coach of all time.
 
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Zoso

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More plaudits for Ryles, more digs at Brown.

The best decision made by a coach in season 2025 belongs to Jason Ryles.

Dumping the defecting Dylan Brown from his Eels side has transformed the team. It was a masterstroke.

It was also a move which further exposed the November 1 transfer rule as the worst rule in world sport.

There’s no room for dead wood in the NRL and the ridiculous November 1 rule means clubs are dealing with dead wood all the time. Having a player, especially one as overhyped and perennially disappointing as Brown, hanging around until he gets overpaid elsewhere is no good for anyone.

Some will argue the Eels should have let him go straight away when he signed, but why should they? He was under contract for 2025 and the Eels rightly decided he’d be doing as he was told. Maybe for the first time.

In round 19, Ryles dropped a game-day bombshell when Brown was shifted to starting hooker for the clash with the Panthers, playing only 35 minutes of the first half before sitting on the bench for the rest of the match. He made one run for four metres with no line breaks, line break assists or try assists.

Ryles wanted to give Joash Papalii a crack at five-eighth, and retained him in the position the following week against the Raiders when Brown was left out of the squad altogether.

Against the Broncos in round 21 and the Storm on Thursday night, he was banished again when Isaiah Ionghi was out injured. Papalii played fullback and Dean Hawkins played in the number six jersey.

The team has suddenly started to play with real purpose and cohesion. The return of Mitch Moses has been crucial, but the absence of Brown has been hugely beneficial.

A gutsy upset win over Brisbane was followed by a gritty and narrow loss to heavyweights the Storm.

The great thing about Ryles’s decision is he has set the team up to start 2026 with a lot of the work done. The last two weeks have been terrific.

Papalii and others are gaining invaluable first grade experience ahead of an off-season of work during which they know a lot more about what to expect as elite players in an elite competition.

Without Brown they’ve lost nothing. Official NRL stats show in 14 full games at five-eighth, he made a paltry six line breaks and seven line break and try assists.

He is outside the top 50 players in the NRL in all three categories, which is nowhere near good enough for a player about to earn more than $1.3m a season.

By comparison, boom Dolphins half Isaiya Katoa has had 19 try assists and 18 line break assists and his halves partner Kodi Nikorima has had ten line breaks.

And that was with their forward pack being decimated with injuries all season.

Sam Walker has only played four matches and has had nine try assists.

Brown is also ranked a lowly 27th for line engagements with 55, said to be his specialty as a running five-eighth.

That’s equal with Cody Walker who’s played only eight matches. On top is Katoa with 202 followed by Tom Dearden with 131 and Nicho Hynes with 124. Luke Brooks has had 109.
It makes for horror reading and Newcastle fans must be wondering what on earth their club has done throwing more than ten per cent of the team’s salary cap for the next ten years at a player who’s already past the mid-point of his career and is one of the worst halves in the competition in all stat categories.

The November 1 rule which allows players to sign for rival clubs a full year out from the end of their contracts - is to blame. It creates a fever and a frenzy which, at times, is completely out of check with reality. As it was in the Brown case. A desperate $14m throw at the stumps.
 

Zoso

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It generates media and I think the NRL believes all media is good media. Which is mostly true, with the exclusion of sex, drug, and cheating scandals.
 

85 Baby

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More plaudits for Ryles, more digs at Brown.

The best decision made by a coach in season 2025 belongs to Jason Ryles.

Dumping the defecting Dylan Brown from his Eels side has transformed the team. It was a masterstroke.

It was also a move which further exposed the November 1 transfer rule as the worst rule in world sport.

There’s no room for dead wood in the NRL and the ridiculous November 1 rule means clubs are dealing with dead wood all the time. Having a player, especially one as overhyped and perennially disappointing as Brown, hanging around until he gets overpaid elsewhere is no good for anyone.

Some will argue the Eels should have let him go straight away when he signed, but why should they? He was under contract for 2025 and the Eels rightly decided he’d be doing as he was told. Maybe for the first time.

In round 19, Ryles dropped a game-day bombshell when Brown was shifted to starting hooker for the clash with the Panthers, playing only 35 minutes of the first half before sitting on the bench for the rest of the match. He made one run for four metres with no line breaks, line break assists or try assists.

Ryles wanted to give Joash Papalii a crack at five-eighth, and retained him in the position the following week against the Raiders when Brown was left out of the squad altogether.

Against the Broncos in round 21 and the Storm on Thursday night, he was banished again when Isaiah Ionghi was out injured. Papalii played fullback and Dean Hawkins played in the number six jersey.

The team has suddenly started to play with real purpose and cohesion. The return of Mitch Moses has been crucial, but the absence of Brown has been hugely beneficial.

A gutsy upset win over Brisbane was followed by a gritty and narrow loss to heavyweights the Storm.

The great thing about Ryles’s decision is he has set the team up to start 2026 with a lot of the work done. The last two weeks have been terrific.

Papalii and others are gaining invaluable first grade experience ahead of an off-season of work during which they know a lot more about what to expect as elite players in an elite competition.

Without Brown they’ve lost nothing. Official NRL stats show in 14 full games at five-eighth, he made a paltry six line breaks and seven line break and try assists.

He is outside the top 50 players in the NRL in all three categories, which is nowhere near good enough for a player about to earn more than $1.3m a season.

By comparison, boom Dolphins half Isaiya Katoa has had 19 try assists and 18 line break assists and his halves partner Kodi Nikorima has had ten line breaks.

And that was with their forward pack being decimated with injuries all season.

Sam Walker has only played four matches and has had nine try assists.

Brown is also ranked a lowly 27th for line engagements with 55, said to be his specialty as a running five-eighth.

That’s equal with Cody Walker who’s played only eight matches. On top is Katoa with 202 followed by Tom Dearden with 131 and Nicho Hynes with 124. Luke Brooks has had 109.
It makes for horror reading and Newcastle fans must be wondering what on earth their club has done throwing more than ten per cent of the team’s salary cap for the next ten years at a player who’s already past the mid-point of his career and is one of the worst halves in the competition in all stat categories.

The November 1 rule which allows players to sign for rival clubs a full year out from the end of their contracts - is to blame. It creates a fever and a frenzy which, at times, is completely out of check with reality. As it was in the Brown case. A desperate $14m throw at the stumps.
As much as I agree with it, I hope we don’t get anymore articles that Brown could use as motivation
 

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