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viole02

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Hindmarshisgod2 said:
Please don't get me wrong...I too, am pissed that we can't land any elite signings.....it seriously blows my mind....we should be a very attractive club, but we aren't cause, I agree with pou, we need to start winning, and then we hold the cards.....

No one elite would want to come to a club that can't have a genuine tilt at the premiership unless we throw overs......

So my question remains to everyone, put forward what your approach would be if you were in MONS position.....does anyone have a better solution.....I think he's between a rock and a hard place and I'm getting over the continual blame game.
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No ones going to draft you a 5 year plan on some random forum. Its not our not our job to figure it out and we aint getting paid

However to slighlty indulge you... many ways to build long term success but even then youll need to get lucky to have a window of 2-3 years of being a contender. We missed our window for the next 2 years imo missing out on Keon, haas etc, so we look at 2027-29 or later. Since we supposedly* cant land big signings our only option is look to build by getting younger players similae to the raiders. Sign young up and coming players to longer term contracts where you might pay overs early but gain value in the last 2 years. Its risky but we also havent won in 40 years so u gotta take some risk. Youll have to trust stats and your staff in identifying the candidates. Looking for briefly for 26 and 27 young backs to target which improve us now but also build long term: Makasini (all in), bostock (also very high on), mclean (unrealistic but u try), tago, taulagi, mariner, savage, howarth, purdue, turuva, alamotti, best?

I think middles our youth looks pretty good and we want to do what the wahs did sign them super long term e.g ryda, koina, tui, coinakis, petrus etc other would know youth better. Middles you could sign: tallis duncan, preston, nanai, willison, couchman, finefuiaki, halasima (in my dreams). Not young candidates: huddo, may, clark, stefano, horsbrough. We got lorenzo, joash, volkman and lincoln in the halves so we good. Mitchell woods, walker might be available 27 and those would be unlikely gets. Anyway just some names for us to look at and build. Weve started our reset with Ryles but we need to look to make a window for ourselves and im sure were trying but we need to be more proactive
 
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viole02

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Stevie said:
Just spewing my random thoughts here but our style appears to be evolving into a very fast paced fast moving attacking style which could definitely trouble sides assuming we make the passes stick and we complete sets.

How does everyone think this style will stack up against the teams who focus on building supreme pressure and forcing teams to capitulate? My concern after the Melbourne game and then Brissy is we might really struggle against the high completion, strangel you to death teams might make us really pay.

Again, just trying to make chat but does anyone else think it will be interesting re our evolution in styles?

Not bagging, just starting a bit of conversation 🙏🏻👊🏼
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If it works and we get the passes off and complete at a high % we can prob upset teams better than us on paper. Most times well probably end up completing sub 70%, get fatigued from defending and get rolled like we did vs storm
 
Johnny88

Johnny88

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PAYTEN’S COWBOYS CRUMBLING​

Todd Payten is entering the dreaded zone of being a coach out of luck.
North Queensland’s 44-16 capitulation to Benji Marshall’s new-look Tigers on Saturday has further shone the spotlight on Payten.
The Cowboys were dreadful for most of the afternoon at Leichhardt Oval and looked like a team that could do little right.
Despite Payten’s best efforts and positive thinking, things are starting to fall around him, making his job even tougher.
He lost co-captain Reuben Cotter (family matters) before kick-off and had Kai O’Donnell sin-binned for being lazy.
The Cowboys fumbled their way to 13 errors and missed a concerning 51 tackles, with Payten’s big off-season signing Reed Mahoney leading the way with eight.
Can Todd Payten turn things around? Picture: Ian Hitchcock/Getty Images

Can Todd Payten turn things around? Picture: Ian Hitchcock/Getty Images
Payten has publicly declared that Cowboys management backed him after last year’s shocker, but the fact is he is the only off-contract coach in the NRL this year.
The bosses have hardly declared he is their future and if Payten was at a Sydney club the media scrutiny would be relentless.
The Cowboys were handed a dream draw with games against 2025 battlers the Knights (wooden spooners), Tigers (13th) and Titans (16th) to start the year. He is 0-2 and a loss to the Titans in Townsville next week could be terminal.
There’s no doubt Payten can coach, as evidenced by North Queensland’s preliminary finals appearance in 2022 and the host of players who have graduated to representative honours under his guidance.
But he needed a fast start to prove things were improving up north and it hasn’t come.
Sometimes when you’re out of luck, you’re just out of luck.

 
King-Gutho94

King-Gutho94

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Johnny88 said:

PAYTEN’S COWBOYS CRUMBLING​

Todd Payten is entering the dreaded zone of being a coach out of luck.
North Queensland’s 44-16 capitulation to Benji Marshall’s new-look Tigers on Saturday has further shone the spotlight on Payten.
The Cowboys were dreadful for most of the afternoon at Leichhardt Oval and looked like a team that could do little right.
Despite Payten’s best efforts and positive thinking, things are starting to fall around him, making his job even tougher.
He lost co-captain Reuben Cotter (family matters) before kick-off and had Kai O’Donnell sin-binned for being lazy.
The Cowboys fumbled their way to 13 errors and missed a concerning 51 tackles, with Payten’s big off-season signing Reed Mahoney leading the way with eight.
Can Todd Payten turn things around? Picture: Ian Hitchcock/Getty Images

Can Todd Payten turn things around? Picture: Ian Hitchcock/Getty Images
Payten has publicly declared that Cowboys management backed him after last year’s shocker, but the fact is he is the only off-contract coach in the NRL this year.
The bosses have hardly declared he is their future and if Payten was at a Sydney club the media scrutiny would be relentless.
The Cowboys were handed a dream draw with games against 2025 battlers the Knights (wooden spooners), Tigers (13th) and Titans (16th) to start the year. He is 0-2 and a loss to the Titans in Townsville next week could be terminal.
There’s no doubt Payten can coach, as evidenced by North Queensland’s preliminary finals appearance in 2022 and the host of players who have graduated to representative honours under his guidance.
But he needed a fast start to prove things were improving up north and it hasn’t come.
Sometimes when you’re out of luck, you’re just out of luck.

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Payten has underachieved with that roster

The fact the cows making the 2022 prelim still gets talked about as some kind of achievement is embarrassing

They should have won that game anyway.

So it should be seen as a failure more then anything.
 
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AnonymousLurker

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King-Gutho94 said:
When was this i certainly wasn't keen on Payten.

I am always wary of having any Issac Moses managed coaches because those clubs end up in a mess.

Mainly because he funnels his shit players into those clubs.

Look at his current/recent clientele

AOB at Newy
Seibold at Brisbane/Manly
Payten at Cows
Flanagan at Dragons
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And look at the dogs, reshuffling entire roster to fit Moses boy, Galvin and f**king themselves up last year (not that I thought they were great anyway ) and looks like they will screw up this year too. Then the sign AOB as assistant
 
Pazza

Pazza

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King-Gutho94 said:
There attack looked shit when you look at what has transpired in the past 2 weeks with everyone else racking up plenty of tries.
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They're a team of 5/8ths, they got one playing halfback, one playing hooker, one playing lock, one on the bench....

And the narrative is that cam ciraldo is some sort of footy genius lol

Their defense will ensure they're competitive but they're just the new sharks, they'll win against who theyre suppose to and lose to the big teams. best thing to do with the dogs is just kick down the front door with your middles, they're too good to go around.
 
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