Rumours and Whingers and Occasional Optimism XXIX

[strider]

The nrl need to sign off on it ... they can drag all sorts of chains

And we have no idea what it means for this years cap. Someone reported weeks ago it only comes off next year. Plus even if it does come off this year, its april so practically half a nrl players yearly contract gone, only half money freed up

I dont believe we will get a get out of jail free card

 

[Stagger eel]

We need to be careful here, this is not about figures but deception, the NRL have a paper trail dating back From 2013 onwards and it appears they have a very good case.

I was told yesterday to expect the worst and I'm basically expecting our season to end next week with heads to roll in the process.

 

[Gary Gutful]

What is the basis of this argument Avenger?

If you attempt to commit fraud and do not succeed, does that mean you can't be charged?

We can easily lose points (I hope we don't) for a) breaching the cap in previous years (above what we admitted to) b) being over the cap this year or c) intentionally failing to disclose information regarding TPAs......we've been warned.

Also, it is far from certain that Watmough's likely retirement will have a huge effect on the 2016 cap. It will certainly have a big effect on later years.

The only way court action will be successful will be if we can show that there is insufficient evidence that the breaches occurred.

The link below suggests that the Warriors lost points in 2006 for breaches affecting the previous years' cap.


http://www.nrl.com/history-of-nrl-salary-cap-breaches/tabid/10874/newsid/58361/default.aspx

Spot on Barry. We are in the shit regardless of the Watmough situation.

 

[Gary Gutful]

We need to be careful here, this is not about figures but deception, the NRL have a paper trail dating back From 2013 onwards and it appears they have a very good case.

I was told yesterday to expect the worst and I'm basically expecting our season to end next week with heads to roll in the process.

I agree and also expect the worst.

When it happens the club will only have itself to blame.

 

[strider]

I agree and also expect the worst.

When it happens the club will only have itself to blame.

I agree

But at the same time i think its f**ked no other club has come under the scrutiny we are ..... and shut up barry, i just know ok - at the very least, intense media scrutiny

 

[hineyrulz]

I agree and also expect the worst.

When it happens the club will only have itself to blame.

Sadly I agree with this, I said in another thread a while back that all things football related have been an absolute shambles since Brian Smith walked away in mid 2006. That's 3 different boards plenty of coaches and football staff.

Our only saviour has been BA and his coaching staff, it's a damn shame if his hard work will go to waste due to the ineptitude of the board and co.

 

[Stagger eel]

I agree and also expect the worst.

When it happens the club will only have itself to blame.

When you're given the opportunity to come clean on everything and then decide to withhold further info which the NRL has obviously found now it's not going to look pretty.

 

[Gronk]

We need to be careful here, this is not about figures but deception, the NRL have a paper trail dating back From 2013 onwards and it appears they have a very good case.

I was told yesterday to expect the worst and I'm basically expecting our season to end next week with heads to roll in the process.

Spot on Barry. We are in the shit regardless of the Watmough situation.

I agree and also expect the worst.

When it happens the club will only have itself to blame.

I agree

But at the same time i think its f**ked no other club has come under the scrutiny we are ..... and shut up barry, i just know ok - at the very least, intense media scrutiny

Sadly I agree with this, I said in another thread a while back that all things football related have been an absolute shambles since Brian Smith walked away in mid 2006. That's 3 different boards plenty of coaches and football staff.

Our only saviour has been BA and his coaching staff, it's a damn shame if his hard work will go to waste due to the ineptitude of the board and co.

When you're given the opportunity to come clean on everything and then decide to withhold further info which the NRL has obviously found now it's not going to look pretty.

Yes yes you're all right. Yes we deserve what we get BUT what really grates my gears is that we are facing the firing squad because we have been ratted out by merkins who claim they love the club.

Whoever you are - what the actual f**k mate ? :crazy:

 

[Gary Gutful]

Spot on.

We can get all hot under the collar about all the shitty media articles but the real issue is that we didn't come clean and we didn't comply with the NRL.

I hope that this really triggers some massive changes to our club but the determination of all of the nuffy factions never ceases to amaze me.

Even if we get docked a shitload of points this year and there are restructures, there will still be a bunch of shitheads on the sidelines causing grief.

MITS had a point about moving to Gosford for a couple of years. However, maybe we need to move further away for a longer period of time.

 

[El Diablo]

I agree

But at the same time i think its f**ked no other club has come under the scrutiny we are ..... and shut up barry, i just know ok - at the very least, intense media scrutiny

agreed but the NRL are a joke

they just put their Broncos investigation in the too hard basket and gave up without ever being able to find out what was done with the $400k

God knows what else they would have found if they actually did a thorough investigation

 

[Gary Gutful]

Yes yes you're all right. Yes we deserve what we get BUT what really grates my gears is that we are facing the firing squad because we have been ratted out by merkins who claim they love the club.

Whoever you are - what the actual f**k mate ? :crazy:

I understand what you are saying and am not attempting to downplay the significance of the ratbag merkins leaking shit.

However, the cap was very poorly managed and we didn't appear to take the NRL seriously. If we fully cooperated with the NRL then there wouldn't have been an opportunity for anyone to rat us out.

 

[Gronk]

I understand what you are saying and am not attempting to downplay the significance of the ratbag merkins leaking shit.

However, the cap was very poorly managed and we didn't appear to take the NRL seriously. If we fully cooperated with the NRL then there wouldn't have been an opportunity for anyone to rat us out.

Agree. It seems have been handled in a clumsy manner.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I was told yesterday to expect the worst and I'm basically expecting our season to end next week with heads to roll in the process.

Have a think about who told you. Are they thinking rationally or buoyed by hope?

 

[strider]

I understand what you are saying and am not attempting to downplay the significance of the ratbag merkins leaking shit.

However, the cap was very poorly managed and we didn't appear to take the NRL seriously. If we fully cooperated with the NRL then there wouldn't have been an opportunity for anyone to rat us out.

Im not gonna call it failed cap management ... im gonna call it failed stretching the rules management

 

[Gronk]

Im not gonna call it failed cap management ... im gonna call it failed stretching the rules management

Agree, but I also agree with others who have raised the question - would every club come up squeaky clean regarding TPAs if they were subject to the same forensic scrutiny ?

Computer says no. Enter the fairness argument.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Gotta laugh. My grandmother-in-law passed away a few weeks ago (that's not funny), and we cleared the nursing home of odds and ends last week. Was just unpacking some glassware and spied the word 'Eels' on the newspaper used for wrapping. Sure enough, it was 'Eels waste $52k by not cashing in on the phenomenon that is Jarryd Hayne' (from some 2015 newspaper).

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Agree, but I agree with others who have raised the question - would every club come up squeaky clean regarding TPAs if they were subject to the same forensic scrutiny ?

Computer says no. Enter the fairness argument.

What is the basis of this assertion Gronk? If other clubs have an insider (or former insider) ready to spill the beans, then we'll find out. Until that happens, how would you know?

 

[IFR33K]

If we are heavily penalised and it goes to the courts, can we argue that we've been scrutinised by the media, influencing the Nrls decision??? Also, that we've been singled out by the NRL, and they should run similar audits on the other clubs to see what's uncovered??? Barry???

 

[Gronk]

What is the basis of this assertion Gronk? If other clubs have an insider (or former insider) ready to spill the beans, then we'll find out. Until that happens, how would you know?

Well the Rabs & Co yesterday were talking about TPAs and they all agreed that the assertion that player managers arrange TPAs is a joke - none do. That TPAs are ;-) not guaranteed by clubs is a joke. They all (unofficially) are.

All of the above seems to be our downfall, yet the elephant in the room seems to be that everyone does it - unlucky for us that we got caught. Meanwhile everyone is innocent until proven guilty. :roll: As many have said, the sale of paper shredders would have spiked recently.

 

[drago brelli]

I have no doubt this sort of thing is and was going on at other clubs. It's dishonesty and corruption. It's appalling dishonesty on behalf of the people who run those business. It's the tip of a large iceberg, it's huge in our business and financial system. Hang on, isn't only the union movement who are corrupt!