Rumours and Whingers and Occasional Optimism XXIX

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

If we are heavily penalised and it goes to the courts, can we argue that we've been scrutinised by the media, influencing the Nrls decision??? Also, that we've been singled out by the NRL, and they should run similar audits on the other clubs to see what's uncovered??? Barry???

I don't think the media coverage thing will help us here, mate. It might different if it was a jury deciding our fate. It will come down to what evidence they have of deliberate deceit, and if they are able to document it, it will be hard for us to claim that there's some prejudice there.

We can certainly argue that the NRL has been inconsistent, but I'm not sure what evidence we have to support that. We'd need to refer to a case that is substantively similar to the one we appear to be facing.....and I can't recall one that would fit the bill. The Broncs case is the dodgiest looking one, but in that case the former insider refused to speak, and there is no way for the NRL to compel outsiders to speak to them

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Well the Rabs & Co yesterday were talking about TPAs and they all agreed that the assertion that player managers arrange TPAs is a joke - none do. That TPAs are ;-) not guaranteed by clubs is a joke. They all (unofficially) are.

All of the above seems to be our downfall, yet the elephant in the room seems to be that everyone does it - unlucky for us that we got caught. Meanwhile everyone is innocent until proven guilty. :roll: As many have said, the sale of paper shredders would have spiked recently.

Sure, but the argument of inconsistent treatment by the NRL is not clear to me. If the NRL ignore documented evidence against another club, then that will be certainly be inconsistent.

 

[Stagger eel]

Yes yes you're all right. Yes we deserve what we get BUT what really grates my gears is that we are facing the firing squad because we have been ratted out by merkins who claim they love the club.

Whoever you are - what the actual f**k mate ? :crazy:

Unfortunately this is what the clubs culture is and what it has been for the past decade which is why we need to move on from all factions forever the small shining light is that there is evidence of some real good people not aligned to the Roy's, Fitzsys and sharps who are willing to roll their sleeves up for us but I also believe we need some presence from the NRL too..we need to simply start again.

 

[Stagger eel]

Have a think about who told you. Are they thinking rationally or buoyed by hope?

The person who told me is definitely a rational thinker and for good reason which I won't go into.. The bit about expecting our season to end is my pessimist and frustrated self coming to the surface ... Personally I'd be happy to give 4 points back

 

[Chipmunk]

I agree

But at the same time i think its f**ked no other club has come under the scrutiny we are ..... and shut up barry, i just know ok - at the very least, intense media scrutiny

The entire thing is farcical. It's disengenuis to suggest that what Parra is being accused of in the media has not and is currently not occuring at all 16 other NRL clubs. Id suggest this kind of behaviour has been previously conducted by the now highest level of the game.

 

[Stagger eel]

Agree, but I also agree with others who have raised the question - would every club come up squeaky clean regarding TPAs if they were subject to the same forensic scrutiny ?

Computer says no. Enter the fairness argument.

part of accepting our medicine, we the club must demand the NRL investigate all clubs in due process and I can't see why the NRL would back down to that demand

 

[Avenger]

We need to be careful here, this is not about figures but deception, the NRL have a paper trail dating back From 2013 onwards and it appears they have a very good case.

I was told yesterday to expect the worst and I'm basically expecting our season to end next week with heads to roll in the process.

It won't happen. The NRL wants the Eels to do well. No way they will kill our season when it's the first one since 2009 where we have a realistic chance of winning a Comp. Ratings will absolutely die is we are to be the Melbourne of 2010.

 

[Chipmunk]

part of accepting our medicine, we the club must demand the NRL investigate all clubs in due process and I can't see why the NRL would back down to that demand

I can't imagine any investigation to be thorough. The NRL doesn't really want to find systematic TPA rorting by 16 clubs. If the NRLs investigation went back 2-3 years I dare say its own head could be in danger.

The club should just spend $1 million and engage its own Investigation Team to undertake it and then release this evidence obtained with a media statement when it finds stuff out.

It needs to start to run its own agenda instead of other organisations dictating the agenda.

 

[Kornstar]

part of accepting our medicine, we the club must demand the NRL investigate all clubs in due process and I can't see why the NRL would back down to that demand

Because they know just how bad they would look. The new CEO was a CEO of a club so he would know more than anyone what happens out there.

Just pick on the club that has "fans" who love the club with all their heart that are willing to drag it through the mud on a national scale, end their season and forget about what is really happening.

They did the same thing after the dogs and storm scandals.......

 

[phantom eel]

The bit about expecting our season to end is my pessimist and frustrated self coming to the surface ... Personally I'd be happy to give 4 points back

Glad to see you've finally agreed that losing 4 points is really nothing, Stags ;-).

 

[strider]

What is the basis of this assertion Gronk? If other clubs have an insider (or former insider) ready to spill the beans, then we'll find out. Until that happens, how would you know?

Just cos you don't know, doesn't mean we don't

 

[phantom eel]

Unfortunately this is what the clubs culture is and what it has been for the past decade which is why we need to move on from all factions forever the small shining light is that there is evidence of some real good people not aligned to the Roy's, Fitzsys and sharps who are willing to roll their sleeves up for us but I also believe we need some presence from the NRL too..we need to simply start again.

Where is this evidence...? It's not immediately obvious to a lot of fans/members, please give us some hope

Agree we need NRL presence in sorting out our governance, and why I was glad the club/Board agreed to enact all 100+ recommendations from the NRL review.

 

[TheRam]

Thought Moeroa was very good today. He also made 100 metres

Step in the right direction, but hardly much impact in his running game even though his metres were better.

He is the sort of player that should be skittling the defenders regularly not boring old hitups that barely dent the line and slow play the balls.


I'm still not impressed. Like I said time will tell.

 

[strider]

It won't happen. The NRL wants the Eels to do well. No way they will kill our season when it's the first one since 2009 where we have a realistic chance of winning a Comp. Ratings will absolutely die is we are to be the Melbourne of 2010.

I don't think they will risk looking like pussies just to save ratings this season.

I reckon they will whack us with 8 points(what we have now, i said all along they were waiting for us to get to the number of points before announcing it) and hope we continue to play well and press for the finals - it'd be worth the ratings itself

 

[strider]

Step in the right direction, but hardly much impact in his running game even though his metres were better.

He is the sort of player that should be skittling the defenders regularly not boring old hitups that barely dent the line and slow play the balls.


I'm still not impressed. Like I said time will tell.

Tell us of a time where you were impressed ram

 

[Stagger eel]

Glad to see you've finally agreed that losing 4 points is really nothing, Stags ;-).

I'll be happy about it under the circumstances but only because I believe it would be worse

 

[Twizzle]

If we are heavily penalised and it goes to the courts, can we argue that we've been scrutinised by the media, influencing the Nrls decision??? Also, that we've been singled out by the NRL, and they should run similar audits on the other clubs to see what's uncovered??? Barry???

The reasons why wont affect the outcome.

And the media are a law unto themselves and cannot reveal their sources so I cant see that helping us in anyway.

 

[drago brelli]

Glad to see you've finally agreed that losing 4 points is really nothing, Stags ;-).

4 points....that's optimistic. Precedent set.....Dogs lost 38 points. Melbourne played an entire season for no points.

 

[Stagger eel]

Where is this evidence...? It's not immediately obvious to a lot of fans/members, please give us some hope

Agree we need NRL presence in sorting out our governance, and why I was glad the club/Board agreed to enact all 100+ recommendations from the NRL review.

It's hard to give you evidence without a link but am reliably told that there is a some good/smart people ready o jump on board.... Let's hope it's sooner rather than later

 

[strider]

It's hard to give you evidence without a link but am reliably told that there is a some good/smart people ready o jump on board.... Let's hope it's sooner rather than later

I sincerely hope they are people with very strong personalities cos running our club with all the shit hanging around is a tough proposition and has the potential to wear anyone down